Homogeneous Differential Equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the general solution of a homogeneous differential equation represented by the equation (x+y)y' = x-y. Participants are exploring methods to solve this equation using the homogeneous approach.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rewrite the equation into a form suitable for homogeneous solutions and expresses confusion regarding the transformation into the required format. Other participants suggest steps to manipulate the equation and clarify the separation of variables.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on how to rearrange the equation and suggesting substitutions. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the steps needed to progress towards a solution, although no consensus has been reached on the method.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note discrepancies between their approaches and the solution manual, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem setup or the required transformations. The original poster expresses a desire to understand the homogeneous method specifically, despite being able to solve the equation through other means.

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Homework Statement



Find the general solution of the differential equation:

(x+y)y'=x-y


Homework Equations



I want to solve this as a homogeneous differential equation, so our equations are:
v=[itex]\frac{y}{x}[/itex], y=vx, [itex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/itex]=v+x[itex]\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution



I need to get this into the form [itex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/itex]=F([itex]\frac{y}{x}[/itex]), so I rewrite it as y'=[itex]\frac{x-y}{x+y}[/itex]. Dividing by x I get, y'=[itex]\frac{1-\frac{y}{x}}{1+\frac{y}{x}}[/itex]. From here, I substitute to get v+x[itex]\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex]=[itex]\frac{1-v}{1+v}[/itex]. When looking at the solution manual, however, it says that it should be in the form x(v+1)v'=-(v2+2v-1) before I integrate. I don't see how i can get it into this form. Also, it gives the answer as y2+2xy-x2=C. I can correctly solve this differential equation using different methods, but I would really like to know how to solve this using the homogeneous method. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks!
 
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You have to compute:
[tex] \frac{1-v}{1+v}-v=x\frac{dv}{dx}[/tex]
This will be a separable equation which is solved in the usual fashion.
 
you just have to take subtract v on both sides of the equation you got man...(xdv/dx=(1-v)/(1+v) - v..
 
Ok, so I rewrite it as [itex]\frac{1}{x}[/itex]dx=[itex]\frac{1+v}{1-v}[/itex]-[itex]\frac{1}{v}[/itex]dv. Do I need to do an additional substitution on [itex]\frac{1+v}{1-v}[/itex]?
 
you solved it wrong on right side... you will get dv/{(1-v)/(1+V) - v}...which comes out to be (1+v)/(1-v^2-2v)...just substitute 1-v^2-2v as t...
 
I'm having trouble seeing how it comes out to (1+v)/(1-v2-2v)
 
Do the addition as I said to get:
[tex] \frac{1-v}{1+v}-v=\frac{1-v-v(1+v)}{1+v}=\frac{1-v-v-v^{2}}{1+v}=\frac{1-2v-v^{2}}{1+v}[/tex]
 

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