Homogeneous linear differential equations

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The discussion revolves around a homogeneous linear differential equation, specifically the equation 2y'' - y' + y^2(1 - y) = 0, which models nerve conduction and describes wave shapes of electrical activity in nerve fibers. The task is to determine a constant "a" such that y = [1 + e^(ax)]^(-1) is a solution to the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution of the proposed solution into the differential equation and the resulting algebraic expressions. Some suggest evaluating the equation at specific points, such as x = 0, to find values for "a". Others express uncertainty about the correctness of derivatives and calculations, leading to discussions about potential sign errors and the implications for the values of "a".

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different values for "a" and checking their calculations against each other. There is a recognition of multiple roots for the quadratic equations derived from the problem, and some participants are questioning the validity of their previous assumptions and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential sign errors in their equations and the implications of those errors on the values of "a". The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and verify calculations without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


The equation
2y'' - y' + y2(1 - y) = 0;
where y' = dy/dx
and y'' = d^2y/dx^2
represents a special case of an equation used as a model
for nerve conduction, and describes the shape of a wave of electrical activity
transmitted along a nerve fi bre.


Homework Equations


the task is to find a value for the constant "a" so that y = [1 + e^(ax)]^(-1) represents the solution of the equation


The Attempt at a Solution


y'=-a*e^(a*x)/[e^(a*x)+1]^2
y''=a^(2)*e^(a*x)[e^(a*x)-1]/[e^(a*x)+1]^3
Basically after I substitute the solution into
the equation and did some calculation I've reached this point
[2*(a^2)*e^(a*x)]*[e^(a*x)-1]+[a*e^(a*x)]*[e^(a*x)+1]-e^(a*x)/[e^(a*x)+1]^3=0=>
=>2*(a^2)*(e^(a*x)-1)+a*(e^(a*x)+1)-1=0...any advice?
 
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#2y'' - y' + y^2*(1 - y) = 0
 
I didn't check your derivatives, but assuming you have them calculated correctly, here's what I would do.

Assuming there is a solution of the type you have, your last equation must hold for all x. So I would put x = 0 and see if I could solve the resulting equation for a. Then, without taking x = 0 put your value for a in your last equation and see if it works. If so, you are home free.

And, I think this method works :wink:
 
That's (2a^2+a)*e^(ax)+(-2a^2+a-1)=0. For that to be equal to zero the coefficient of e^(ax) must be zero and the other term must also be zero. Before you do that, I get the other term to be (-2a^2+a+1). Could you check that?
 
:D,thanks for the reply ,I've tried that before I posted the problem...In this case I get a=1/2 and after I substitute =>e^(2*x)+e^(1/2*x)=0
 
AkilMAI said:
:D,thanks for the reply ,I've tried that before I posted the problem...In this case I get a=1/2 and after I substitute =>e^(2*x)+e^(1/2*x)=0

You mean 1/2 in that first exponent. I agree that a = 1/2, but I get a minus sign between the two terms.
 
LCKurtz said:
You mean 1/2 in that first exponent. I agree that a = 1/2, but I get a minus sign between the two terms.

I'm getting a=(-1/2). I think there may be a sign error in your equation. See my previous post.
 
no, I mean e^(x)+e^(1/2*x)=0...there is only one term with I minus and I used to cancel another term(mainly -e^(1/2*x)/2)
sorry Dick but I didn't quite understand what you where trying to say...
 
Dick said:
I'm getting a=(-1/2). I think there may be a sign error in your equation. See my previous post.

I found an error in my calculations. I now agree with Dick a = -1/2 works.
 
  • #10
No ,I'm sorry it is [2*(a^2)*e^(a*x)]*[e^(a*x)-1]+[a*e^(a*x)]*[e^(a*x)+1]+e^(a*x)/[e^(a*x)+1]^3=0...it is plus at the end not minus,this justifies my above result
 
  • #11
AkilMAI said:
no, I mean e^(x)+e^(1/2*x)=0...there is only one term with I minus and I used to cancel another term(mainly -e^(1/2*x)/2)
sorry Dick but I didn't quite understand what you where trying to say...

I'm not trying to say anything profound. Your equation, (2a^2+a)*e^(ax)+(-2a^2+a-1)=0 doesn't have any solutions. I get (2a^2+a)*e^(ax)+(-2a^2+a+1)=0. Which does.
 
  • #12
Dick ...I also got (2a^2+a)*e^(ax)+(-2a^2+a+1)=0 ,I copied it wrong from the notebook...but here I get stuck
 
  • #13
AkilMAI said:
Dick ...I also got (2a^2+a)*e^(ax)+(-2a^2+a+1)=0 ,I copied it wrong from the notebook...but here I get stuck

If that's going to be zero for all x, you need to set (2*a^2+a)=0 and (-2a^2+a+1)=0. Is there a value of a that works in both?
 
  • #14
(2*a^2+a)=0=>a =-1/2...(-2a^2+a+1)=0=>a =1
 
  • #15
AkilMAI said:
(2*a^2+a)=0=>a =-1/2...(-2a^2+a+1)=0=>a =1

Quadratics generally have two roots. You are only showing one for each equation.
 
  • #16
a=-1/2
 
  • #17
AkilMAI said:
a=-1/2

Sure.
 

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