Homogeneous ODE with variable coefficient

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The discussion revolves around solving homogeneous ordinary differential equations (ODEs) with variable coefficients, specifically focusing on equations of the form (x^2)y" - 2xy' - 54y = 0 and (x^2)y" - 3xy' + 4y = 0. The original poster expresses familiarity with certain methods but seeks guidance on alternative approaches suitable for variable coefficients.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the applicability of the power series method and mention the "Euler type" equations, suggesting a solution form of y = xr. There is exploration of the substitution u = ln(x) to convert the equations into a more manageable form.

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Some participants have provided insights into the transformation of the equations and the nature of the solutions. The original poster is actively attempting the suggested methods and has expressed some frustration with the results, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

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There is mention of a concurrent homework assignment focused on power series, which may influence the original poster's approach and understanding of the methods discussed.

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Hello everyone!

I'm trying to solve 2 questions for my assignment on homogeneous ODEs

I can solve ODE's with variation of parameters and with the method of undetermined coefficients, but these 2 methods seem useless when the coefficients are not constant :

(x^2)y" - 2xy' -54y = 0

and

(x^2)y" - 3xy' + 4y = 0


I'm not asking anyone to solve it for me, but just to tell me what method I have to use, and I'll find on my book or on the net.

P.S : I know that you can use power series method, but I think there is another one since we are learning the power series method right now, with a brand new homework just on power series!

Thanks guys
 
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Those are "Euler type" or "equi-potential" equation. You can look for a solution of the form "y= xr" just as, with equations with constant coefficients, you try "y= erx". Of course, in either situation, there are other kinds of solutions.

That works because making the substitution u= ln(x) converts a Euler-type equation to an equation with constant coefficients. For example, letting u= ln x, then dy/dx= (dy/du)(du/dx)= (1/x)dy/du. d2y/dx= (d/dx)((1/x) dy/du)= (-1/x2)dy/dx+ (1/x)((1/x)d2y/du2)= (1/x)2d2y/du2- (1/x2)dy/du.

So x2y"- 3xy'+ 4y= 0 becomes x2(1/x2)d2/du2- (1/x2)dy/dx)- 3x((1/x)dy/du)+ 4y= d2y/du2- 4 dy/du+ 4y= 0. Solve that differential equation for y as a function of u and then replace u by ln(x).
 
Thank you very much :D

I'm trying it right now
 
damn it!

all terms cancel out when I got with

y(u) = Ae2u+ Bue2u

I'm going to try again tomorrow.

thanks again!
 
Machete_B said:
damn it!

all terms cancel out when I got with

y(u) = Ae2u+ Bue2u

I'm going to try again tomorrow.

thanks again!
What?? Yes, of course, "all terms cancel out"! They are supposed to- they make the equation equal to 0! That proves that y(u) satisfies y"- 4y'+4y= 0.

And with u= ln x, y(x)= Ax2+ B x2 ln(x). Put that into the original equation. "All terms cancel out" is what you want.
 
haha lol thanks :P

amd another question : we always use u = ln (x) for Euler's type ODE ?
 
Yes, that gives a one to one relation between the set of all Euler-type equations and the set of all equations with constant coefficients. A solution of one automatically gives a solution of the other.
 

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