Homogenous Fluorescent Solution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the search for a white fluorescing dye suitable for use in a heavy mineral-oil solution, specifically focusing on the excitation range of 380-400nm. Participants explore the requirements for the dye to maintain a homogenous mixture that does not separate upon centrifugation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a white fluorescing dye and specifies the need for it to be compatible with heavy mineral oil, ensuring the solution remains homogenous.
  • Another participant questions the definitions of "white" and "tenaciously homogenous," suggesting that a mix of red, green, and blue fluorescing dyes could achieve the desired visual effect, while also raising concerns about the stability of soluble dyes over time.
  • The original poster clarifies that "white" refers to the perception by an observer and reiterates the need for a solution that maintains a random distribution of its constituents throughout the mineral oil.
  • A later reply mentions that many washing powders utilize a mixture of fluorescent dyes to create the appearance of white light, implying that similar principles could apply to the desired solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the terms used, particularly regarding the definition of "white" and the characteristics of a "tenaciously homogenous" solution. There is no consensus on the best approach or specific dye to use, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the stability of the proposed dyes over time or the specific requirements for the homogeneity of the solution, leaving these aspects unresolved.

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Heyo.
I'm looking for a white fluorescing dye in the 380-400nm excitation range. It needs to be combined with heavy mineral-oil such that the resulting solution is tenaciously homogenous and will not separate out when centrifuged.
Many thanks,
-CC
 
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Define "white" and "tenaciously homogenous". If you mean white as perceived by the human eye, it seems to me that a mix of red, green and blue fluorescing dyes would work. Soluble dyes won't settle but how stable these are over time is questionable.
 
Yeah, fair enough:
So as far as the fluorescing color goes, I would be looking for white as perceived by an observer.
When I say tenaciously-homogenous, what I mean is that the solution could have a tendency towards homogenous distribution of its constituents when left alone. The particles would always tend to have random distribution throughout the volume of the mineral-oil.

-CC
 
corvus corax said:
Yeah, fair enough:
So as far as the fluorescing color goes, I would be looking for white as perceived by an observer.
So a mixture of three different colors would work as well.

When I say tenaciously-homogenous, what I mean is that the solution could have a tendency towards homogenous distribution of its constituents when left alone. The particles would always tend to have random distribution throughout the volume of the mineral-oil.-CC
You are saying that soluble fluorescent dyes would work for you. You don't need particles at all.
 
Most washing powders contain such a mixture of fluorescent dyes giving the impression of white light.
 

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