Homogenous PDE with separation of variables

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The discussion revolves around solving a homogeneous partial differential equation (PDE) using separation of variables. The equation involves a second-order spatial derivative and a first-order time derivative, with specified boundary and initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the separation of variables method, leading to the formulation of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) for spatial and temporal components. Questions arise regarding the treatment of eigenvalues, particularly whether to include n=0 and how it affects the Fourier series representation. There is also inquiry about the implications of λ=0 and its relationship to the coefficients in the Fourier series.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying steps and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of eigenvalues and the implications of λ=0. Multiple interpretations of the initial conditions and boundary conditions are being explored, particularly concerning the inclusion of constant terms in the Fourier series.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the potential for different interpretations of the eigenvalue cases and the implications of the boundary conditions on the solution form. There is an acknowledgment of discrepancies between personal solutions and the solution manual, which remains unverified.

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Homework Statement


Sorry don't know how to use the partial symbol, bear with me

partial u wrt t=2*(2nd partial u wrt x)

Boundary conditions:
partial u wrt x (0,t)=partial u wrt x (1,t)=0

Initial conditions
u(x,0)=x(1-x)


Homework Equations



I get an answer that is different than the solution manual, but I am convinced the solution manual is wrong, so I would just like it if anyone had the spare time to verify the solution for me. I do have a few minor questions though.

1. When solving for the eigenvalues, is n=0,1,2,3... or does n=1,2,3...? I ask this because I get 0 as an eigenvalue when doing the case for lambda=0, but technically this woulda already shown itself when I did the other case when I got the "real" eigenvalues because it was to solve sqrt(-lambda)=npi, so if n=0 that would have already been taken care of.


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I get F(x)=Cncosnpix and G(t)= e^(-2pi^2n^2t) When I solve the Fourier series I used L=1 and got ao=-1/3 and an = (4(-1)^n) )/ (pi^2n^2)
 
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So the equation you want to solve is:
<br /> \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}=2\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial x^{2}}<br />
with
<br /> \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}(t,0)=\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}(t,1)=0<br />
with initial condition u(0,x)=x(1-x)?

What are your steps?
 
Yeah that's correct.

As for my steps, I just followed normal procedure of separation of variables so

assume solution is u(x,t)=F(x)G(t)

So G'/(2G)=F''/F=λ and my 2 ODEs are:

1. G'-2Gλ=0
2. F''-Fλ=0

Then I solve for F using the three cases, λ<0, λ=0, λ>0 and the boundary values F'(0)=F'(1)=0. The only case that is non trivial is the λ<0 case which is when I get my λn=-n^2pi^2 and my Fn=Ccos(npix). I then plug in λn back into the other ODE to solve for G and I get G=e^(-2pi^2n^2t), and then I take the infinite sum and make it equal to the initial conditions which makes it a Fourier series representation. Then I apply the integration formulas to solve for the coefficients.
 
Going back to your questions you already took care of \lambda =0, so you can just have n=1,2,3...

Was that all the questions you had?

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Well, when I take the infinite series do I start from n=0 then because lambda=0 is included? Cause then I take the first term and I get the ao constant, which I'm assuming is suppose to happen but I just wanted to clarify.

And I was kinda hoping if someone would solve it so I can compare my answers because the solution manual has another answer that I have no idea how they got and there are no steps.
 
I think you can say that \lambda &lt;0 straight away as otherwise the solution will grow exponentially with t. So write \lambda =-\mu^{2} and you get the two solutions:
<br /> G=Ae^{-2\mu^{2}t},\quad F=B\cos\mu x+C\sin\mu x<br />
As this is just one particular solution and there are an infinite many so write:
<br /> u=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}A_{n}e^{-2\mu_{n}^{2}t}(B_{n}\cos\mu_{n} x+C_{n}\sin\mu_{n} x)<br />
Was that what you did?
 
Yeah except there's no sin
 
I think you should check again the case where λ = 0. I think you will find that a constant works. And that's what you would expect given that you will be expanding a function in a cosine series.
 
I know lambda=0 does work, but since its a constant doesn't it just merge with the coefficient in F=Ccos(npix) if I start n=0,1,2,3...
 
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spaceknight said:
I know lambda=0 does work, but since its a constant doesn't it just merge with the coefficient in F=Ccos(npix) if I start n=0,1,2,3...

Yes. It does give you the constant term of the FS.
 

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