Solve PDE with separation of variables

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The discussion revolves around the wave equation for a function ψ(t, x) in three dimensions, specifically examining the form of the solution and the implications of using separation of variables. The original poster attempts to show that a solution exists in the form ψ(t, x) = sin(ωt)ϒ(x) and to find the corresponding ω, while also addressing the conditions under which the function ϒ satisfies a specific eigenvalue problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of separation of variables and the implications of the wave equation. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the original poster's approach and the interpretation of the solution form. There is also exploration of whether individual terms in the proposed solution can be considered valid solutions on their own.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. There is a focus on clarifying the requirements of the problem and the nature of the solution being sought. Some participants suggest reconsidering the constants involved in the solution and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the eigenvalue λ being negative, which influences the form of the solution. Additionally, the original poster expresses uncertainty about whether their derived solution aligns with the requirements of the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


The wave equation for ψ(t, x) in 3D is

##\frac{\partial ^2 \psi}{\partial t^2}## - Δ ##\psi =0##
Let ϒ(x) satisfy Δϒ = λϒ where λ<0.

The x is in bold presumably to indicate it is in 3D, so represents also y and z?

Show there is a solution of the form ψ(t, x) = sin(ωt)ϒ(x) and find ω.

The attempt at a solution
I'm going to stop putting x in bold now, though it still represents x, y and z.

I tried using separation of variables, so letting ψ = ϒ(x)T(t). That would mean

##\frac{\partial ^2 \psi}{\partial t^2} =## ϒ(x)##\frac{\partial ^2 T(t)}{\partial t^2}##

Sub this into the given wave equation:
ϒ(x)##\frac{\partial ^2 T(t)}{\partial t^2} -##Δ##\psi =0##

This is most probably the bit that's wrong, but I think
Δ##\psi## = T Δϒ(x)
Which, subbing in the given expression for Δϒ, gives

Δ##\psi## = Tλϒ. Putting that all into the wave equation:

ϒ(x)##\frac{\partial ^2 T(t)}{\partial t^2}-##Tλϒ = 0

But ϒ vanishes from this equation, and if I carry on to solve the remaining equation for T:
##\frac{\partial ^2 T(t)}{\partial t^2}-T \lambda## = 0
Given ##\lambda## is negative, -T##\lambda## becomes +T x (magnitude of lambda)

The solution to which is T = Asin(##\sqrt{\lambda}t##) + Bcos(##\sqrt{\lambda}t##)
Nowhere near the solution I'm after! Where did that go wrong?
 
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What is the solution that you are after? Why do you think yours is wrong (apart from the fact that you should have the absolute value of ##\lambda## under the square roots)?
 
whatisreality said:
Show there is a solution of the form ψ(t, x) = sin(ωt)ϒ(x) and find ω.
The question asks me to show that the solution is of the above form.
 
No, it asks you to show there is a solution of that form.
 
Orodruin said:
No, it asks you to show there is a solution of that form.
Isn't my solution of a different form to the one asked for though? I haven't shown that there is a solution of that form.
 
You have just quoted what you get for ##T(t)##. Try multiplying it with ##\Upsilon(\vec x)## and select suitable constants ##A## and ##B##.
 
Orodruin said:
You have just quoted what you get for ##T(t)##. Try multiplying it with ##\Upsilon(\vec x)## and select suitable constants ##A## and ##B##.
Oh, right. So I've said the solution is ψ = T(t)ϒ, which subbing in the solution for T is

##\psi =##ϒ##Asin(t\sqrt{\lambda})##+ϒ##Bcos(t\sqrt{\lambda})## (Where ##\lambda## represents the magnitude of lambda)
So are both terms individually solutions? Because the sin terms does look like the solution I'm asked for. But I thought only both terms added together constituted a solution?
 
Or am I being silly, and I just let B=0? Would I need to justify that?
 
whatisreality said:
Or am I being silly, and I just let B=0? Would I need to justify that?
Your solution for T is a solution independent of what the values of A and B are. In particular, B=0 is a solution.
 

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