Homology groups from Homotopy groups

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between homology groups and homotopy groups, specifically how to compute homology groups when some homotopy groups are known. The scope includes theoretical aspects of algebraic topology and the complexities involved in these computations.

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  • Sandra seeks assistance in computing homology groups given known homotopy groups.
  • Some participants suggest that the relationship between homotopy and homology is complex and not generally solvable.
  • One participant mentions that abelianizing the first homotopy group can yield the first homology group for connected spaces, but this may not be helpful in all cases.
  • Another participant notes that for simply connected spaces, the first non-zero homotopy group corresponds to the first non-zero homology group.
  • A participant provides a method for computing homotopy from homology for simply connected spaces, involving the construction of a minimal model from rational homology.
  • Examples of even and odd dimensional spheres are discussed to illustrate the relationship between rational homology and homotopy groups.

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Participants express differing views on the generalizability of methods for computing homology from homotopy, with some suggesting specific cases (like simply connected spaces) where relationships may hold, while others emphasize the complexity and limitations of these relationships.

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Limitations include the dependence on the connectedness of the space and the specific properties of simply connected spaces. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and the need for specific examples to clarify the relationships discussed.

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Hi,

I am trying to compute homology groups of a space while some of the homotopy groups are known..what is the best way to do that.

I hope that you can help.

Thanks,
Sandra
 
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OK,

I have the first 3 Homotopy groups which are generically non-trivial and I need to compute H_3
 
There's no way to do it in general. Looking at the two-sphere, you get an idea how complicated this relationship can be.
 
By abelianizing the first homotopy group, you obtain the first homology group (if the space is connected. If not, you can still use this to find the first homology group easily). This may help, although probably not.
 
wodhas said:
OK,

I have the first 3 Homotopy groups which are generically non-trivial and I need to compute H_3

I think you can not solve this problem in general. The relation of homotopy to homology is difficult. Why not send us the example you are working on?

Most theorems are known for simply connected spaces.

For a simply connected space the first non-zero homotopy group is the first non-zero homology group.

For a simply connected manifold there is an incredible theorem that says that the rational homotopy groups have the same dimension as vector spaces in each dimension as the number of generators in a minimal model of the de Rham complex.
 
For simply connected spaces, it seems easier to compute homotopy from homology - up to torsion.

Here is the recipe: From the rational homology construct a minimal model. The non-torsion part of the homotopy group in any dimension has the same number of generators as the minimal model in that dimension.

Example: An even dimensional sphere. Its rational homology is zero except in dimension 2n where it is Q. A minimal model has two generators x and y with x of degree 2n, y of degree 4n-1. (The differentials are dx = 0 and dy = x^2)

Thus the 2n sphere has rational homotopy with one generator in dimensions 2n and 4n-1 and zero in all other dimensions.

Example: The odd dimensional sphere. The minimal model has one generator in dimension 2n+1 and no others. So the rational homotopy is Q in dimension 2n+1 and zero in all other dimensions.
 

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