Homopolar Generator Setup & Effect of Magnetized Conductivity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the setup and functioning of a homopolar generator, specifically exploring the effects of rotating magnets and the conductivity of magnetized materials. Participants consider different configurations of the generator and the implications of magnetization on conductivity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a basic homopolar generator setup with a stationary magnet and a rotating conducting plate, questioning the effects of spinning the magnet instead.
  • Another participant suggests using the Lorentz Force Law to analyze the scenario where the magnet spins while the conductor remains stationary, indicating that the outcomes may differ due to frame dependence in magnetics.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the conductivity of permanent magnets and whether a conducting magnet could serve effectively as both a conductor and a magnet.
  • One participant proposes an experimental approach to investigate how permanent magnets behave as conductors by measuring voltage and current in a circuit with a magnetized iron nail.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of spinning the magnet versus the conductor, and there is no consensus on the effects of magnetization on conductivity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical applications of conducting magnets.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of magnetics and its frame dependence, which may affect the outcomes of their proposed experiments and theoretical considerations.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the principles of electromagnetism, experimental physics, and the practical applications of homopolar generators may find this discussion relevant.

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The basic set up for a homopolar generator has a stationary magnet and a rotating conducting plate with contacts at the center and rim of the plate.
I would think that even if magnet were spinning along the same axis, the magnetic field would not materially change and so the resulting current would be the same.

What if, instead of a separate plate, the magnet were spinning and had contacts attached in a similar way? Would there still be a current induced?

To clarify, the poles of the magnet are aligned with the axis of rotation. I don't really have an understanding of how conductivity would change when an object is magnetized. This may be the real issue.
 
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Welcome to PF;
You want to spin the magnet, keeping the metal stationary.
You can figure out what would happen by the Lorentz Force Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator#Physics

Note: magnetics is generally frame-dependent, so I'd expect something different to happen.
 
Thanks for the response. I think I understand the physical concepts but I'm still curious about how conductivity works in permanent magnets, and if a conducting magnet is useful as either a conductor or magnet.
 
Well, to find out how permanent magnets work as conductors, get an iron nail, put it into a circuit with a variable voltage source, ammeter and voltmeter, collect and plot V vs I ... repeat for the same nail magnetized to different amounts.

I used to have a model steam-engine with magnetic wheels - both magnetic and conductive properties were useful.
 

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