Homotopy of Closed Curves on a Simply Connected Region

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of simply connected regions in topology, particularly focusing on the implications of removing a point, such as the origin, from a space. Participants explore whether a closed curve can be formed that cannot be shrunk to a point after the removal of the origin, considering different scenarios and dimensional contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of simply connected regions, suggesting that removing the origin from a region in the xy plane creates a closed curve that cannot be shrunk to a point.
  • Another participant proposes that by moving the curve slightly in the z-direction, it can be shrunk, indicating that the issue may not apply in three-dimensional space.
  • A third participant reiterates the initial question but adds that if the simply connected region has a non-empty interior containing the origin, removing the origin does not affect its simply connected status.
  • A fourth participant suggests using a sphere around the removed point to analyze the curve's behavior, indicating that if the curve does not cover the entire sphere, it can be slid to a point, but if it does, further analysis is needed to show it is homotopic to a different curve.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of removing a point from a simply connected region, with no consensus reached on whether such a removal affects the simply connected nature of the region.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions regarding the dimensionality of the space and the nature of the curves involved, which may influence the conclusions drawn about simply connected regions.

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Why is it that a region in space is simply connected even when the origin is removed?

Can't one create a closed curve in say the xy plane, centered on the origin, which then cannot be shrunk to a point? (the origin)

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Because you can move such curve a "little upwards" (or downwards) and then shrink it. This obviously can't be done in the plane and the most immediate analogue would be if you take away, for example, the z-axis.
 
IniquiTrance said:
Why is it that a region in space is simply connected even when the origin is removed?

Can't one create a closed curve in say the xy plane, centered on the origin, which then cannot be shrunk to a point? (the origin)

Thanks

Of course, if the "region" in space is in fact lying in a a plane, then removing a point in the plane makes the region not simply connected, as you say.

But if your simply connected region R has non empty interior and 0 lies in that interior, then R\{0} is still simply connected for the reason indicated by Jose27.
 
IniquiTrance said:
Why is it that a region in space is simply connected even when the origin is removed?

Can't one create a closed curve in say the xy plane, centered on the origin, which then cannot be shrunk to a point? (the origin)

Thanks

Draw a sphere around the point removed from space. Using the radius lines slide your curve onto the sphere. If the curve does not cover the entire sphere then it can be further slid to a point along great circles. iF the curve entirely covers the sphere then you must show that it is homotopic to one that does not. This is a little hard.
 

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