Honey Roast Ham and a Dead Spider - should I be Worried?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential toxicity of Honey Roast Ham after a spider, referred to as "Barry," died shortly after consuming a piece of it. Participants explore whether ingredients in the ham could be harmful to spiders and if there are implications for human consumption.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the high sodium content in ham might be harmful to spiders, comparing it to humans drinking ocean water.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of nitrites or nitrates in the ham being a factor in Barry's death.
  • A different viewpoint questions whether the meat could have been spam instead of ham.
  • One participant proposes repeating the experiment with another spider to observe the effects, suggesting modifications to the ham to see if it still attracts the spider.
  • Concerns are raised about the dangers of nitrites and salts in processed meats, referencing health recommendations regarding processed meats and cancer risks.
  • Another participant expresses reluctance to intentionally harm another spider, despite the scientific curiosity.
  • Discussion includes a clarification about the cancer risk associated with processed meats, noting the differences in risk levels compared to smoking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the cause of the spider's death, with no consensus on whether the ham was toxic or if it was simply the spider's time to die. Multiple competing views remain regarding the ingredients and their effects.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the spider's biology and the specific ingredients in Honey Roast Ham are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of the health risks associated with processed meats.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the effects of food ingredients on non-human animals, those curious about food safety, and readers concerned with health implications of processed meats may find this discussion relevant.

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I had lunch and dropped a small piece of ham. a spider (Barry) appeared to eat it. Shortly afterwards, he died. Is it poison?
At lunch I had Honey Roast Ham. A small piece, about 1/2" x 1", dropped on the floor. a few minutes later, I observed "Barry" having a good munch on the ham.
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Barry and his ham were moved out of the way and I went back to work. About an hour later, I looked down and, coincidentally, observed what I now know to be Barry dying. His legs arched back against his back, and he "collapsed".
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Now, several hours later, he's clearly dead.

Barry appeared to be healthy, he moved ok when we repositioned him. but now, after chowing down on what I had for lunch, he is dead.

Should I be worried? Is there something in Honey Roast Ham which might be an insecticide (arachnicide?), or was it just Barry's time? Am I happily scoffing something toxic for my lunch, but in such low quantities it doesn't affect me?

I'm in the UK, if that has any bearing on ingredients and spider types.
 
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Ham is very high in sodium, perhaps the spider couldn't handle that.
 
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Nitrites/nitrates, other preservatives?
 
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Are you sure it wasn’t spam?
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Ham is very high in sodium, perhaps the spider couldn't handle that.
Beat me to it Greg. AFAIK, spiders suck the juices from their prey. I would think that high sodium ham would be to the spider like people drinking ocean water. :oldruck:
 
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some bloke said:
Summary: I had lunch and dropped a small piece of ham. a spider (Barry) appeared to eat it. Shortly afterwards, he died. Is it poison?

Is there something in Honey Roast Ham which might be an insecticide (arachnicide?), or was it just Barry's time?

I would repeat the experiment with another spider of the same species if possible.

Presumably the meat was juicy because as @Borg said, they can only suck in juices. They don't take bites of things.
You could also try washing and squeezing out the juices, replace them with some water, and see if the spider is interested and whether it dies.
 
Yes, it was quite juicy ham.

Not sure about repeating it, I'm not a fan of killing any animals on purpose (unless I was going to eat it!).

As for the cancer side of things, from what I gathered on that front when the news told me to stop eating bacon was that their ranking system isn't based on how much it increases your risk, but on how conclusively they can prove that it increases your risk. IIRC Bacon was ranked the same as smoking, but conclusively proved that it increased the risk of a cancer you already had a very low risk of by less than half a percent of that original risk, whereas smoking was a much higher risk of affecting you. Though that may be a quantity thing - few people are on 30-40 rashers of bacon per day!

Thanks for the replies guys, it's been interesting!
 
some bloke said:
Summary: I had lunch and dropped a small piece of ham. a spider (Barry) appeared to eat it. Shortly afterwards, he died. Is it poison?

Should I be worried? Is there something in Honey Roast Ham which might be an insecticide (arachnicide?), or was it just Barry's time? Am I happily scoffing something toxic for my lunch, but in such low quantities it doesn't affect me?

I'm in the UK, if that has any bearing on ingredients and spider types.
That's a big one for the UK.
 

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