Hooke's law (Don't know what I am missing)

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The problem involves calculating the effective force constant k of an automobile air bag modeled as an elastic force, similar to that of a spring, to prevent injury to a driver during a collision. The driver’s mass and the distance from the steering wheel at impact are provided, but the speed of the driver is unknown.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for the driver's velocity to solve for k, with some suggesting that the problem cannot be solved without this information. Others propose expressing the velocity as an unknown variable and finding an equation that describes the energy absorption process.

Discussion Status

Participants have acknowledged the lack of sufficient information to solve the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the variables and the importance of velocity in determining k. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of dimensional analysis in the context of the problem.

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There is a consensus that additional information, specifically the driver's velocity at impact, is necessary to proceed with the calculations. Participants are considering contacting the instructor for clarification on any missing details.

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Homework Statement


An automobile air bag cushions the force on the driver in a head-on collision by absorbing her energy before she hits the steering wheel. Such a bag can be modeled as an elastic force, similar to that produced by a spring.

Calculate the effective force constant k of the air bag for which the bag will prevent injury to a 65.0kg driver if she is 30.0cm from the steering wheel at the instant of impact.

m = 65 kg
x = .3 meters
F = ?
k = ?

Homework Equations


Hooke's Law
F = -kx

F = force
x = displacement(or the distance traveled)
k = the force constant

The Attempt at a Solution


Well I know that this should be an easy solution and I first need to find F, but I do not have a speed that the person is moving. I don't know if I am missing something or if i need to contact the teacher and ask for more information.

Personally I view this as unsolvable without more information, but I just figure that I am missing something.~John
 
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You are trying to calculate the value of k, simple solve the equation for k and input in the force (kg) and the distance (cm).

Remember a spring rate has units of kg/m or kg/cm etc ...

Thanks
Matt
 
Yes, I think you're right. This can't be solved without knowing the velocity of the driver at the moment of impact.

This can be shown if you choose the velocity of the driver to be an unknown, [tex]u[/tex]

The cushion absorbs the energy of the driver, find an equation describing this process and solve for [tex]k[/tex]
It will become immediately apparent that the solution depends on [tex]u[/tex]

Also, the units of a spring constant are [tex]\frac{N}{m}[/tex]
 
Thank you for the help you two.

I will contact the instructor to see if something was just accidentally omitted.


~John
 
raiderIV said:
Thank you for the help you two.

I will contact the instructor to see if something was just accidentally omitted.


~John

The big clue to the fact this problem is unsolvable is that you cannot get a solution from dimensional analysis.

You are given mass, which has dimensions [tex][M][/tex] and distance, which has dimensions [tex][L][/tex].

You are asked to find the spring constant, [tex]k[/tex], which has dimensions [tex][M][L][T]^{-2}[L]^{-1}[/tex] which is the same as [tex][M][T]^{-2}[/tex]

So as you can see, without some known quantity to provide the dimension of time, you cannot get a result, no matter how you arrange your data.

What you should do know, I think, is solve the problem as though [tex]u[/tex], the driver's initial velocity, were a known quantity. Just so you have a ready formula to plug the data into once you get word back from your instructor.

An interesting exercise would be to solve using dimensional analysis as well. :)
 

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