Hourglass Weight: How Sand Weight Changes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around how the weight of an hourglass changes as sand drips through it. Participants explore the concept of weight, the effects of falling sand, and the implications of various experiments related to this phenomenon.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the weight of the hourglass should change due to the falling sand, suggesting it experiences a form of free fall.
  • Others argue that the definition of weight (W=mg) does not account for the falling motion of the sand, questioning why the weight should change.
  • A participant points out that an experiment referenced does not measure weight as defined in earlier posts, leading to further clarification about what is being measured.
  • It is noted that the experiment measures the tilt of the scales, referred to as "weight reading," which differs from static weight due to the dynamics of both the sand and the pans.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a diagram to illustrate the concepts discussed, while another provides links to relevant resources.
  • A later reply draws a parallel to similar physics questions, such as those involving elevators or birds flying inside a truck.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the weight of the hourglass changes as the sand falls. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definition of weight and the implications of the experiments discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in definitions and assumptions about weight, as well as the complexity of the dynamics involved in the hourglass scenario. There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between the motion of the sand and the weight readings observed.

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How does an hourglass's weight change while sand is dripping in it? (better be in a diagram)
 
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Start by saying what you think "weight" is and why it should be changing.
 
voko said:
Start by saying what you think "weight" is and why it should be changing.
W=mg that is what weight is. I think that when the sands are falling it is a kind of free fall; so some of the hourglasses's weight should diminish.
 
walter1998 said:
W=mg that is what weight is

OK.

walter1998 said:
I think that when the sands are falling it is a kind of free fall; so some of the hourglasses's weight should diminish.

There is nothing about falling, free or otherwise, or not falling at all, in the definition above. Why should the weight change then?
 
That experiment does not measure the weight as you defined it in #3.
 
OK then, whatever it is just explain it!
 
The truth is that experiment measures the tilt of the scales (which they call "weight reading"), and nothing else.

They explain why that "reading" is different from the static case. The details are complicated, and depend not only on the motion of the sand, but on the motion of the pans, too.
 
voko said:
The truth is that experiment measures the tilt of the scales (which they call "weight reading"), and nothing else.

They explain why that "reading" is different from the static case. The details are complicated, and depend not only on the motion of the sand, but on the motion of the pans, too.
Can you demonstrate it in a diagram?or give a link of it?
 
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You're pretty demanding for someone with no bargaining leverage. :oldgrumpy:
 
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I've never actually heard of this particular question before, but it is really reminiscent of the one about jumping in an elevator or birds flying inside a truck.
 

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