How a mirror works: condensed matter explanation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the atomic-level explanation of how mirrors work, particularly focusing on the interaction of electromagnetic fields and photons with reflecting materials. Participants explore various aspects of solid-state physics, including the atomic structure's influence on reflection, the law of reflection from an atomic perspective, and the interaction of photons with free and bound electrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how electromagnetic fields interact with reflecting materials as a whole and seeks a deeper understanding of the atomic structure's role in reflection.
  • Another participant argues that an atomic explanation is inadequate, suggesting that light interacts collectively with many atoms rather than individually.
  • A reference to "Optical Properties of Solids" by M. S. Dresselhaus is provided as a potential resource for understanding these concepts.
  • Concerns are raised about the simplistic view of a single photon interacting with a single electron, with a request for more pedagogical references on the topic.
  • One participant mentions the Lorentz model of the dielectric function, asserting that it can explain the polarization of atoms and fit optical phonons in insulators.
  • A later reply summarizes that mirrors work due to the high density of free electrons in metals, which form a plasma that reflects light effectively, but clarifies that broad energy bands are not the primary reason for high reflectivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of atomic explanations for mirror behavior, with some advocating for a collective interaction model while others support the relevance of atomic-level descriptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to explain the phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, with some noting that the questions posed may lead to confusion without careful navigation through detailed resources. There is also mention of limitations in understanding due to the phenomenological explanations commonly encountered.

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fed up with phenomenological explanation of mirrors, need fundamental explanations
Dear all,

in the context of my teaching I was wondering what exactly the explanation is of how a mirror works at the atomic level. Apparently, the fact that reflecting materials are often also good conductors and hence big energy bands helps reflecting the photons. Does someone know a nice set of lecture notes where this is explained? So, questions like:

* how does the elecotromagnetic field / photons interact with the reflecting material as a solid state as a whole
* how exactly does the ability to reflect depend on the atomic structure of the material
* how can the law of reflection be explained within the "atomic paradigm" (instead of the maxwell- field approach)
* how does solid state physics explain the difference between reflecting materials and non-reflecting materials?
* do the photons interact with the free electrons of the material, or also with the bound ones from the atoms?

Well, hopefully you get the idea of my question. Of course, answers will also be appreciated :) Greetings!

sidenote: I'm a theoretical physicist who has forgotten most of his solid state physics...
 
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Light wavelengths are around 5000 angstroms, and atoms are about an angstrom, so there are tens of millions of atoms responding at any instant to the EM fields of the wave. An atomic explanation is the wrong picture, as the light interacts collectively.

Some discussion in another context here.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Light wavelengths are around 5000 angstroms, and atoms are about an angstrom, so there are tens of millions of atoms responding at any instant to the EM fields of the wave. An atomic explanation is the wrong picture, as the light interacts collectively.

Some discussion in another context here.
Thanks. I also had the idea that the picture of one single photon being absorbed and re-emitted (reflected) by a single electron is troublesome. Do you know of any references which cover this stuff in a pedagogical way?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Light wavelengths are around 5000 angstroms, and atoms are about an angstrom, so there are tens of millions of atoms responding at any instant to the EM fields of the wave. An atomic explanation is the wrong picture, as the light interacts collectively.

I disagree with the second sentence. The Lorentz model of the dielectric function is often explained in the context of the polarization of an atom. In fact, it is possible to perfectly fit the optical phonons of insulators (provided the phonons aren't anharmonic) with the Lorentz model. These oscillations are usually <200 meV and the IR wavelengths needed approach 1 millimeter.
 
haushofer said:
Summary:: fed up with phenomenological explanation of mirrors, need fundamental explanations
You have so many questions, but I don't want to answer them all at once. I don't know if you've gone through them yet, but Milli Dresselhaus's notes are very detailed so you may get lost in it all.

The short answer to why mirrors work is that, in metals, the free electron density is high enough and the scattering is low enough that the free electrons form a plasma with a high reflectivity up to the plasma frequency.

Regarding what you said about bands: everything with charge in a material effects the reflectivity, but broad bands are not the reason why metals have high reflectivity.
 

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