How are atoms combined with the body?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms by which atoms and molecules are incorporated into the human body, exploring concepts related to biological systems, cellular processes, and molecular interactions. Participants delve into how these processes occur, including the movement and replacement of atoms and molecules within cells and tissues.

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  • One participant questions how atoms and molecules are added to and replaced in the body, suggesting ionic bonding and electron sharing as potential mechanisms.
  • Another participant explains that atoms share electrons to form molecules, which then create complex structures like proteins and DNA that are essential for cellular function.
  • There is a discussion about the role of blood in transporting nutrients and the confusion surrounding the absorption process.
  • One participant introduces the analogy of cells as factories that produce proteins, referencing how viruses can hijack these processes.
  • Several participants mention the importance of cell division and the continuous renewal of cells, particularly in the skin.
  • Links to external resources, including animations and videos, are provided to illustrate cellular processes and molecular interactions.
  • A later reply emphasizes the stochastic nature of molecular motors and the complexity of cellular environments, noting that current animations may not accurately depict these dynamics.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the movement and replacement of atoms and molecules, with some agreeing on the role of blood and cellular processes while others remain uncertain about specific mechanisms. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact nature of these processes.

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Some participants highlight limitations in current animations and models that may oversimplify or misrepresent the complexities of molecular interactions and cellular environments.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying biology, biochemistry, or related fields, as well as individuals curious about the molecular basis of life and cellular processes.

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EDIT: "In what fashion are atoms or molecules added to a body, then attached, how exactly do they get replaced?"

http://imgur.com/pmR8RB9 (I realize atoms are much smaller)

Sorry for the crudity of my drawing but I think you get the general idea. I can't picture what happens?

I believe they stay together through some sort of ionic bonding where electrons are gained and traded, magnetic I suppose. Atoms, as I understand, bond into molecules.

But what in the world happens for the atom or molecules to get to all these places in the body, what movements, a shifting?
 
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atoms share electrons with other atoms to create molecules. biological systems construct very lengthy molecules like proteins and dna and rna strands that roll up into more compact structures that bond with others to create cells and tissue...
 
jedishrfu said:
atoms share electrons with other atoms to create molecules. biological systems construct very lengthy molecules like proteins and dna and rna strands that roll up into more compact structures that bond with others to create cells and tissue...
WOW, that was a fast reply! I'm starting to understand this better, but I still don't understand how they come and go, like a layered shifting? Perhaps my thinking of it is incorrect. Blood carries nutrients as well as absorption I believe, but the latter confuses me.
 
This might best be explained via video:



of how a virus is absorbed into a cell and inserts itself into the cell mechanisms. think of cells are factories that make proteins that maintain the biological system and the virus coopts the factory ala hostile takeover and manufactures itself before the body can stop it.
 
Razorvox said:
WOW, that was a fast reply! I'm starting to understand this better, but I still don't understand how they come and go, like a layered shifting? Perhaps my thinking of it is incorrect. Blood carries nutrients as well as absorption I believe, but the latter confuses me.
The basic building block of a body is the cell. As you are well aware, there are many types of cells in the body, with general names such as skin, heart, brain, liver, bone, cartilage, red blood, white blood, hair, fat, nerve, as only part of the list. A cell, be it that of a single celled organism such as an ameoba, or of a multicellular organsim such as in animals or plants needs nutrients and use energy to survive. The cell can be considered to be of 3 parts - a nucleus which holds the DNA, the cytoplasm which uses the nutrients and energy, and the surrounding cell membrane through which nutrients enter and waste products exit. The blood carries the nutrients to the cells and removes the waste products,

Cell will divide by cell division or mitosis, wherby one cell becomes two.
In the picture of the skin which you showed, new epidermis cells are always dividing in the lower layers, pushing the older cells upwards to the surface, where the dead ones are being flaked off. In a sense, your epidermis is always being re-juvinated.
 
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256bits said:
The basic building block of a body is the cell. As you are well aware, there are many types of cells in the body, with general names such as skin, heart, brain, liver, bone, cartilage, red blood, white blood, hair, fat, nerve, as only part of the list. A cell, be it that of a single celled organism such as an ameoba, or of a multicellular organsim such as in animals or plants needs nutrients and use energy to survive. The cell can be considered to be of 3 parts - a nucleus which holds the DNA, the cytoplasm which uses the nutrients and energy, and the surrounding cell membrane through which nutrients enter and waste products exit. The blood carries the nutrients to the cells and removes the waste products,

Cell will divide by cell division or mitosis, wherby one cell becomes two.
In the picture of the skin which you showed, new epidermis cells are always dividing in the lower layers, pushing the older cells upwards to the surface, where the dead ones are being flaked off. In a sense, your epidermis is always being re-juvinated.
Thanks for that clear and concise answer! That's exactly what I wanted to know. :p
 
jedishrfu said:
This might best be explained via video:



of how a virus is absorbed into a cell and inserts itself into the cell mechanisms. think of cells are factories that make proteins that maintain the biological system and the virus coopts the factory ala hostile takeover and manufactures itself before the body can stop it.


Great video, it's becoming much clearer to me how this works. Thankyou for your time.
 
For the molecular-scale perspective, there are some great animations showing the inner workings of a cell at this site:
http://multimedia.mcb.harvard.edu/
The "inner life" animation is the highlight there. It includes depictions of molecular structures in the cell, protein assembly and folding, and more.

This site:
http://www.ibiology.org/ibioseminars.html
contains a plethora of in-depth explanations of various biological processes. The cell biology section contains good follow-ups to the Inner life video. For example, I saw the animation of a kinesin motor protein literally walking along a microtubule, and thought "you've got to be kidding me". Then I found a video on "cytoskeletal motor proteins" on the ibiology site that nicely explained how the walking is achieved through chemical processes.
 
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I remember that kinesin/mictotubule animation, and my reaction was the same.

One should note on the movies that they are more schematic (in all their current detail) rather than faithful:
- Molecular motors and engines are stochastic, since chemistry is, and they will tend to try to go backwards, hesitate, et cetera, often not shown since it would take time and blur the intent of the animations. It is among other things ratchet mechanisms that make these motors/engines unidirectional.

- Cells are dense chemical compartments, where molecules bump into each other at high rates and that can both delay and speed reactions (so transport and motor functions) compared to dilute chemistry in comparatively large glass containers as people do in chemistry classes. That too would drag out and obscure animations, so is never shown to my knowledge. (Maybe they could use some animation technique where obscuring molecules are transparent, but current art hasn't advanced that far.)

Both these deviations would also take computer resources and project time, so is a more fundamental problem as of yet. When computers get faster and larger (a constant plaint), then perhaps...
 

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