How are the determinants of A and B related? (Do not compute det(A))

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the determinants of two matrices, A and B, where B is derived from A through specific linear transformations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the connections between the columns of A and B without computing the determinant of A.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the transformations applied to the columns of A to form B, questioning how these transformations affect the determinants. There is a suggestion to express the relationship in matrix form and to consider the properties of determinants when multiplying matrices.

Discussion Status

The conversation is progressing with participants offering insights into the properties of determinants, particularly regarding the effects of column operations. Some participants are refining their understanding of how to express the relationship mathematically, while others are confirming their reasoning about the factors involved.

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Participants are encouraged to avoid computing det(A) directly, focusing instead on the implications of the transformations applied to the columns of A to derive B. There is an emphasis on the properties of determinants related to linear combinations and scalar multiplication of rows or columns.

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Homework Statement



Consider the matrices

A =
a1 a2 a3
b1 b2 b3
c1 c2 c3
and

B =
3a1 4a2+5a1 6a3
3b1 4b2+5b1 6b3
3c1 4c2+5c1 6c3

How are the determinants of A and B related? DO NOT COMPUTE det(A)!

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The Attempt at a Solution



I'm completely lost... I tried doing Kramer rule for det(B) but don't understand how I'm supposed to do this. I mean, I can see that the 2nd column of B is equal to 5 times the first plus 4 times the second columns of A, that the 1st column of B is 3 times the first column of A and that the 3rd column of B is 6 times the third column of A. But what am I meant to draw from this?
 
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Incognitopad said:
I mean, I can see that the 2nd column of B is equal to 5 times the first plus 4 times the second columns of A, that the 1st column of B is 3 times the first column of A and that the 3rd column of B is 6 times the third column of A. But what am I meant to draw from this?
Almost there. Try to express this in matrix form. In other words, see if you can find a matrix C such that either C*A=B or A*C=B.

What's the determinant of a product of two matrices?
 
Incognitopad said:

Homework Statement



Consider the matrices

A =
a1 a2 a3
b1 b2 b3
c1 c2 c3
and

B =
3a1 4a2+5a1 6a3
3b1 4b2+5b1 6b3
3c1 4c2+5c1 6c3

How are the determinants of A and B related? DO NOT COMPUTE det(A)!

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm completely lost... I tried doing Kramer rule for det(B) but don't understand how I'm supposed to do this. I mean, I can see that the 2nd column of B is equal to 5 times the first plus 4 times the second columns of A, that the 1st column of B is 3 times the first column of A and that the 3rd column of B is 6 times the third column of A. But what am I meant to draw from this?

You are supposed to use standard results about determinants obtained by adding multiples of row (or columns) to other rows (or columns). I will let you find these, because the exercise of searching will help you to remember them.
 
oh, is it that simple?

3*5*6det(A)=det(B)?
 
Incognitopad said:
oh, is it that simple?

3*5*6det(A)=det(B)?

Almost. Where does the factor '5' come from?
 
sorry. typo. i meant to write a 4. adding columns/rows into others don't change the determinant, but multiplying a row/column multiplies the determinant by the same factor.

3*4*6

72det(A)=det(B)
 
Incognitopad said:
sorry. typo. i meant to write a 4. adding columns/rows into others don't change the determinant, but multiplying a row/column multiplies the determinant by the same factor.

3*4*6

72det(A)=det(B)

Right!
 

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