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The discussion centers around the relationship between transistors and quantum mechanics (QM), specifically how quantum effects are integral to the functioning of transistors and semiconductors. Participants explore the underlying principles of semiconductor physics, the behavior of charge carriers, and the implications of quantum mechanics in these contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the operation of transistors is fundamentally tied to quantum mechanics, with many special properties arising from quantum effects.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the physics of semiconductors, noting that concepts like n-type and p-type doping can only be described using quantum mechanics.
  • There is a discussion about whether semiconductors are in a state of superposition, with some participants clarifying that while superposition is a natural aspect of QM, the semiconductor itself is not in such a state.
  • Another participant suggests that the charge carriers within semiconductors can be represented as superpositions of quantum states, but cautions against considering the entire semiconductor in this way.
  • Terminology related to the "exchange of electrons" is questioned, with a suggestion that a clearer understanding of electrons and holes is necessary for grasping semiconductor behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that quantum mechanics plays a crucial role in the functioning of transistors and semiconductors. However, there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of superposition in relation to semiconductors and the clarity of terminology used in the discussion.

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Some statements reflect assumptions about the audience's prior knowledge of quantum mechanics and semiconductor physics, which may limit the accessibility of certain explanations. Additionally, the discussion includes varying levels of detail and complexity, which could lead to misunderstandings without a coherent framework.

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I know that transistors work using QM, but I don't know how, can someone explain this to me?
 
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Practically everything special about them is owed to some quantum effect - so that would be a lot of typing.
Tell us first how you understand transisters working and then I'll show you the quantum :)

Meantime there are a lot of explanations online at various levels.
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-03/952639215.Ph.r.html
http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/the-tunneling-transistor

Technically, of course, everything works using QM - it's just that some things exploit the special nature of QM more than others. The smaller the transistor (or anything) the more important the details of quantum effects become.
 
batmanandjoker said:
I know that transistors work using QM, but I don't know how, can someone explain this to me?

Transistors are made of semiconductors. The physics of semiconductors themselves can only be described using quantum mechanics. This is how one can understand the various types of doped semiconductors (n-type and p-type).

Next, when you sandwich these semiconductors together to form junctions (np, pn, npn, pnp, etc.) that make up a transistor, how they behave and their properties can only be described via quantum mechanics. This includes not only how the charges are transported, but also in describing tunnel diodes properties, a purely quantum phenomenon.

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Are semi conducters in a state of superposition? I know its an exchane of electrons. Thanks
 
batmanandjoker said:
Are semi conducters in a state of superposition? I know its an exchane of electrons. Thanks

What exactly does that mean?

You need to remember that "superposition" comes "naturally" out of the way QM describes a system. It is almost an inevitable part of the description. We almost never ask such a question.

The semiconductor is not in a state of superposition. The charge carriers are, at least from the description used to arrive at the band structure.

I think, anything that goes beyond what I had answered will go over your head and it will simply be nothing more than random bits and pieces without any coherent picture.

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batmanandjoker said:
Are semi conducters in a state of superposition? I know its an exchane of electrons. Thanks
Pretty much as ZapperZ said - everything can be represented as a superposition of quantum states. You need to be more specific. What is your interest?

I don't think it is useful to consider the quantum state of the whole semiconductor when you are thinking about how it works. Better to think of the state of the individual charge carriers.
In operation, they are always represented as superpositions of some kind.

Don't know what you mean by "exchange of electrons". I suspect you are confusing terminology. Understanding about electrons and holes is essential to understanding semiconductors: gives you a starting place for searching the web :)

However, I believe your original question has been answered.
 

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