How can a basic particle have a charge?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of particle charges, particularly focusing on why electrons have a negative charge and the implications of particle interactions, such as the creation of photons. It touches on concepts from particle physics, including antimatter, virtual particles, and the electromagnetic field.

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  • Some participants express confusion about how electrons can have a negative charge and question the existence of different charge spectra in the electromagnetic field.
  • Others clarify that every particle has an antiparticle with opposite charge, citing electrons and positrons as examples.
  • There is a discussion about the interaction between electrons and the emission of photons, with some participants questioning the meaning of this interaction.
  • Participants mention that virtual particles are energy carriers and discuss their role in mediating forces, noting that they are not part of the standard model in the same way as real particles.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between force and energy, with some participants acknowledging their previous misunderstandings.

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Participants generally agree on the existence of antiparticles and the role of virtual particles in force mediation, but there remains uncertainty and differing interpretations regarding the nature of charge and the specifics of particle interactions.

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Some participants express a lack of clarity regarding the definitions and relationships between concepts such as force, energy, and charge, indicating that these areas may require further exploration.

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I have little knowledge of particle physics in general and have been taught that atoms have positive and negative charges because of electrons. But how can an electron have a negative charge only? Are there spectrum's of the electromagnetic field which have different charges?
Help would be appreciated
 
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snackster17 said:
I have little knowledge of particle physics in general and have been taught that atoms have positive and negative charges because of electrons. But how can an electron have a negative charge only? Are there spectrum's of the electromagnetic field which have different charges?
Help would be appreciated

Electrons have negative charge. These are balanced by protons in the nucleus which have positive charge.
 
ok thank you for the replies. But how about when two electrons interact does that not create a photon?
 
so these virtual particles are energy carriers? why arent they on the standard model?
 
snackster17 said:
I have little knowledge of particle physics in general and have been taught that atoms have positive and negative charges because of electrons. But how can an electron have a negative charge only? Are there spectrum's of the electromagnetic field which have different charges?

It has nothing to do with portions of the spectrum. Electromagnetic radiation (photons) is neutral, regardless of wavelength. Normal matter is composed of electrons, protons, and neutrons, these all have antimatter counterparts...so to answer your question, electrons are always negative because positive ones are called positrons. Protons and neutrons don't get special names, they have to settle for having anti- stuck in front of their names. (And anti-neutrons are still neutral, though neutrons do have other characteristics that are reversed in anti-neutrons, and the two will still annihilate with each other if brought together.)

The reason for the "normal" particles being so much more common than their antimatter counterparts is not completely understood. It's an unusual asymmetry of the universe that's still an area of research.


snackster17 said:
ok thank you for the replies. But how about when two electrons interact does that not create a photon?

While not exactly wrong, that statement's not particularly meaningful. Classically speaking, electromagnetic radiation is emitted by accelerating charges. Electrons can certainly radiate due to their interactions.

I also wonder if you're confusing protons and photons. The two are completely different particles.


snackster17 said:
so these virtual particles are energy carriers? why arent they on the standard model?

They are force carriers. It's important to be precise about things like this...force is a different kind of quantity than energy.
As for them being in the standard model...why do you think they aren't? Photons for one are certainly part of the standard model...one of only four gauge bosons. What's special about virtual particles is that they are "off shell", not having the usual relationships between mass, energy, momentum, and velocity, which limits them to a temporary sort of half-existence.
 
snackster17 said:
so these virtual particles are energy carriers? why arent they on the standard model?
They are part of the standard model.

cjameshuff, virtual particles carry both energy and momentum, in general.
 
K^2 said:
cjameshuff, virtual particles carry both energy and momentum, in general.

These "force mediating" virtual particles do indeed transfer energy and momentum, it'd be hard for them to mediate any forces otherwise. I didn't intend to deny that, only to point out that they are thought of as force carriers, and that force and energy are distinct concepts. I suspect that snackster17 was making the very common mistake among people unfamiliar with physics of mixing up quantities like force and energy.
 
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yes i didnt have a clear distinction of the two. thanks i get it better now
 

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