How can an astronaut lower the perigee of a circular orbit?

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The discussion revolves around how an astronaut can lower the perigee of a circular orbit, specifically by manipulating the velocity of an object (referred to as "the nut") in space. The subject area includes orbital mechanics and the effects of velocity changes on orbital paths.

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  • Participants explore the idea of throwing the object in various directions to alter its orbit, questioning the practicality of canceling orbital velocity and considering the implications of changing speed on the orbit's shape.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how to effectively change the object's orbit, with some participants suggesting the need to calculate the required change in velocity (ΔV) to achieve the desired perigee. Questions about the significance of the angle of the throw and the effects of atmospheric drag are also being discussed.

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Participants note the importance of considering atmospheric effects and the practical challenges of implementing the necessary changes in speed to achieve the desired orbital adjustments.

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I think if the astronaut can somehow throw it behind himself, against the direction of orbital motion ( 180° opposite ) such that the total orbital velocity of the nut is canceled , it should fall straight down . But this is practically not possible .

Another way is to throw it backwards at an angle such that the velocity vector points towards Earth .

I am not really sure with the above reasoning .

Any sincere help is appreciated .

Thanks
 

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Vibhor said:
I think if the astronaut can somehow throw it behind himself, against the direction of orbital motion ( 180° opposite ) such that the total orbital velocity of the nut is canceled , it should fall straight down . But this is practically not possible .

Indeed not practical if he has to cancel all orbital speed, but could less do it?

Perhaps you can find some equations that relates orbital speed and orbital radius?
 
Filip Larsen said:
orbital speed and orbital radius?
But it is not necessary to get it into a circular orbit with radius equal to that of Earth. It is only necessary that its orbit intersects Earth's surface. Not sure how hard it is to solve that.
 
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hi haruspex ,

If you were the astronaut in the problem , what would you do ? :smile:
 
Vibhor said:
I think if the astronaut can somehow throw it behind himself, against the direction of orbital motion ( 180° opposite ) such that the total orbital velocity of the nut is canceled , it should fall straight down . But this is practically not possible .

Another way is to throw it backwards at an angle such that the velocity vector points towards Earth .
Ignoring the atmosphere you need only alter the orbit of the nut so that its perigee coincides with the Earth's surface.

If the atmosphere is not to be ignored and you're not in any great hurry to land the nut, then having the perigee dip into the atmosphere will eventually decay the orbit.

So a big hint would be: Find the required ΔV that would lower the perigee of the nut accordingly.
 
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Hi gneill

Thanks for replying .

gneill said:
Ignoring the atmosphere you need only alter the orbit of the nut so that its perigee coincides with the Earth's surface.

Are you suggesting that a decrease in speed would change the orbit from circular to elliptical such that the perigee just touches the surface ??

If the atmosphere is not to be ignored and you're not in any great hurry to land the nut, then having the perigee dip into the atmosphere will eventually decay the orbit.

Sorry .I did not understand .

So a big hint would be: Find the required ΔV that would lower the perigee of the nut accordingly.
But even if ΔV is calculated , the astronaut needs a way to implement the change in speed . Would you agree he needs to throw the nut backwards in opposite direction such that the required change in speed is achieved??
 
Vibhor said:
Hi gneill

Thanks for replying .
Are you suggesting that a decrease in speed would change the orbit from circular to elliptical such that the perigee just touches the surface ??
Yes.
Sorry .I did not understand .
What happens to an object moving through air, especially at high speeds? What forces does it encounter? What are the results?
But even if ΔV is calculated , the astronaut needs a way to implement the change in speed . Would you agree he needs to throw the nut backwards in opposite direction such that the required change in speed is achieved??
Sure.
 
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Ok .

Doesn't the angle at which the nut is thrown of any significance ?
 
Vibhor said:
Ok .

Doesn't the angle at which the nut is thrown of any significance ?
Yes. The details of the "new" orbit depends upon the particulars of the ΔV and the resulting new velocity vector. But the most efficient way to lower the perigee is to direct that ΔV opposite to the original velocity of the circular orbit.

Edit: You might want to look up "Hohmann Transfer Orbit".
 
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