How can complex roots and equations be solved using different methods?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation \( z^{3/4} = \sqrt{6} + \sqrt{2}i \) and understanding the implications of different methods used to find complex roots. Participants explore the conversion of the complex number into polar form and the subsequent steps to derive the values of \( z \).

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  • Participants discuss various methods of manipulating the equation, including raising both sides to a power and the order of operations regarding adding \( 2k\pi \). Questions arise about the differences in solutions based on these approaches.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning the validity of different methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of reducing angles to the specified range, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

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Participants note the importance of adhering to the specified range for \( \theta \) and the uniqueness of solutions in the context of complex numbers. There is also mention of the challenges posed by the formatting of shared solutions, which may hinder clarity.

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Question: http://gyazo.com/abca582e1109884964913493487ad8ae

My solution:

I got √6 + i√2 = √8(cos(pi/6) + isin(pi/6)) as they did below,
then [itex]z^{\frac{3}{4}} = \sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6} + 2k\pi)} [/tex]<br /> then took 4/3 of both sides and let k = 1, 0 etc to try and get the values of z<br /> <br /> however in the solutions: <a href="http://gyazo.com/3ba4f14d27f2fbc1bc8f04d2b918a5ac" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://gyazo.com/3ba4f14d27f2fbc1bc8f04d2b918a5ac</a><br /> <br /> they raised it to 1/4 first then added the 2kpi and hence got different solutions than me. Could anyone explain why?[/itex]
 
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The question is:

Solve the equation ##z^{3/4}=\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}i##
Put your answers in the form ##z=re^{i\theta}## where ##r>0## and ##-\pi < \theta \leq \pi##

I got √6 + i√2 = √8(cos(pi/6) + isin(pi/6)) as they did below,
then [itex]z^{\frac{3}{4}} = \sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6} + 2k\pi)}[/itex]
then took 4/3 of both sides and let k = 1, 0 etc to try and get the values of z

however in the solutions: http://gyazo.com/3ba4f14d27f2fbc1bc8f04d2b918a5ac

they raised it to 1/4 first then added the 2kpi and hence got different solutions than me. Could anyone explain why?
... looking at the pic, it looks to me like they just raised both sides to the power of 4 to get the expression for ##z^3## ... if you take the cube root of both sides, it should be the same as your answer.
 
Your upload of the other solution is too hard to read. RHS is cropped. As far as I can tell, they also raised both sides to 4/3, effectively. Pls post your working and answer.
 
haruspex said:
Your upload of the other solution is too hard to read. RHS is cropped. As far as I can tell, they also raised both sides to 4/3, effectively. Pls post your working and answer.

What I done:

[itex]z^{\frac{3}{4}} = \sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6})}[/itex]
as solutions are not unique:
[itex]z^{\frac{3}{4}} = \sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6} + 2k\pi)}[/itex]
[itex]z = (\sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6} + 2k\pi)})^{\frac{4}{3}}[/itex]

now I subbed in k = 0, k = 1... to get the solutions where -π<θ≤pi

what they have done
[itex]z^{\frac{3}{4}} = \sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6})}[/itex]
[itex]z^3 = ( \sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6})})^{4}[/itex]
[itex]z^3 = 64e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6} + 2\pi k)}[/itex]
so [itex]z = 4e^{i(\frac{2\pi}{9} + \frac{2k\pi}{3})}[/itex]

then they sub in k = 0, k = 1 and k = -1 to get values for z (only one of which is the same to mine).
I'm asking why do you have to add the 2pki after you get it into z^3 = ...
 
converting1 said:
[itex]z = (\sqrt{8}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{6} + 2k\pi)})^{\frac{4}{3}}[/itex]

now I subbed in k = 0, k = 1... to get the solutions where -π<θ≤pi
Ok, but what are your solutions? The last line above is still consistent with their solutions. Following on from it:
[itex]z = 4(e^{i(\frac{2\pi}{9} + \frac{8k\pi}3)})[/itex]
so the difference is a factor ##e^{i\frac{6k\pi}3}## = 1.
I agree it would be more natural to introduce the k term straight away, but I'm not seeing that deferring until after multiplying by 4 makes a difference. The important thing is to do it before dividing.
 
haruspex said:
Ok, but what are your solutions? The last line above is still consistent with their solutions. Following on from it:
[itex]z = 4(e^{i(\frac{2\pi}{9} + \frac{8k\pi}3)})[/itex]
so the difference is a factor ##e^{i\frac{6k\pi}3}## = 1.
I agree it would be more natural to introduce the k term straight away, but I'm not seeing that deferring until after multiplying by 4 makes a difference. The important thing is to do it before dividing.

My only solution is [tex]z = 4e^{i(\frac{2\pi}{9})}[/tex], as all I can sub in is k = 0

they have three solutions of:
[tex]z = 4e^{i(\frac{2\pi}{9})}[/tex]
[tex]z = 4e^{i(\frac{8\pi}{9})}[/tex]
[tex]z = 4e^{i(\frac{-4\pi}{9})}[/tex]
 
converting1 said:
My only solution is [tex]z = 4e^{i(\frac{2\pi}{9})}[/tex], as all I can sub in is k = 0
Really? What do you get if you set k = 1?
 
haruspex said:
Really? What do you get if you set k = 1?

then you get theta as 26pi/9... but this is out of the domain given for theta.

edit: hm, but as theta is not unique, is it OK to just take away 2pi from 26pi/9?
 
converting1 said:
then you get theta as 26pi/9... but this is out of the domain given for theta.

edit: hm, but as theta is not unique, is it OK to just take away 2pi from 26pi/9?

Exactly so. You should reduce all results mod 2pi to get them into the target range.
 
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haruspex said:
Exactly so. You should reduce all results mod 2pi to get them into the target range.

thank you for your patience! :)
 

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