How Can Electrical Impulses Trigger Needle Movement in Medical Devices?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanism for triggering needle movement in a medical device using electrical impulses. Participants explore various methods to automate the needle retraction process after a specified injection duration, focusing on the feasibility of using solenoids and timers without incurring high costs associated with motors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a mechanical setup using a pretensioned spring for needle insertion and seeks an electrical solution for retraction.
  • Another participant suggests using a solenoid to hold the needle in place and a timer circuit to manage the injection and retraction timing.
  • Concerns are raised about the cost of motors, with one participant stating that motors are too expensive for their application.
  • Questions are posed regarding the application of the device, including the type of injection and patient considerations.
  • Participants inquire whether the device is intended for single or repeated injections, indicating a need for clarity on the operational context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and feasibility of using motors versus solenoids for the device, and there is no consensus on the application specifics or the best approach to trigger needle movement electrically.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the application of the device, the specific requirements for the injection process, and the limitations posed by budget constraints on components.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in medical device design, automation in injection systems, and cost-effective engineering solutions may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello ,
I have an medical device assembly, where I trigger the needle for injection, mechanically, with a pretensioned spring. Injection takes 3 minutes, then I have to retract the needle. How can I trigger the needle, using an electrical impulse ?
 
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Yes, nice proposal. But I don't understand how the solenoid is acting.
I need to trigger the needle retraction, at the end of injection, not immediately after the insertion.
 
You will need a timer circuit to run the solenoid and motor at the proper times.
The solenoid holds the needle up until the time for injection. It fires...the needle goes down. The timer allows 3 min. then triggers the motor to retract the needle until it is again latched up by the solenoid.
Then the cycle starts all over again.
 
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Welcome to the PF. :smile:
Luci said:
Hello ,
I have an medical device assembly, where I trigger the needle for injection, mechanically, with a pretensioned spring. Injection takes 3 minutes, then I have to retract the needle. How can I trigger the needle, using an electrical impulse ?
What is the application? Can't you just use an IV infusion instead? Who is the patient, and what is the injected drug? Does it need to be an IM or subcu injection?
 
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AZFIREBALL said:
You will need a timer circuit to run the solenoid and motor at the proper times.
The solenoid holds the needle up until the time for injection. It fires...the needle goes down. The timer allows 3 min. then triggers the motor to retract the needle until it is again latched up by the solenoid.
Then the cycle starts all over again.
Motor is too expensive for my application.
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

What is the application? Can't you just use an IV infusion instead? Who is the patient, and what is the injected drug? Does it need to be an IM or subcu injection?
Needle insertion mechanism is mandatory. I fire the needle using a spring, the drug flows for 3 minutes and then I have to retract the needle. But without using a motor, witch is too expensive.
 
Is this a single shot operation or is it intended to deliver subsequent repeated injections automatically?
 
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Luci said:
Needle insertion mechanism is mandatory. I fire the needle using a spring, the drug flows for 3 minutes and then I have to retract the needle. But without using a motor, witch is too expensive.
You still didn't say what the application is. Keeping a needle steady in a patient for 3 minutes is quite a chore, unless it's an IV tube. Why are you giving an IM injection that takes 3 minutes?
 
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Motors like this on Ebay for $1.99 each. Too expensive? How much have you budgeted for this project?
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Thread closed temporarily. @Luci -- You need to send me a message explaining what you are trying to do before this thread can be re-opened. Click on my avatar picture and select "Start a conversation". Thank you.
 
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