How can electrostatic fields be composed of photons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electrostatic fields in the context of quantum electrodynamics (QED) and whether these fields can be understood as being composed of photons. Participants explore theoretical implications, the relationship between classical and quantum descriptions of electromagnetic fields, and the challenges in modeling static charges within quantum field theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a stationary electrostatic field can be composed of photons, real or virtual, and whether this notion is meaningful within QED.
  • Another participant asserts that electrostatic fields cannot be composed of photons, stating that such claims are incorrect.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of analytically solving the ground state of a quantum field theory system involving an electron and its electromagnetic field.
  • A participant notes the awkwardness of describing static fields in terms of photons compared to other excitations, such as virtual phonons in solid-state physics.
  • It is mentioned that the Coulomb field is described by resumming soft-photon ladder diagrams rather than being attributed to a single photon.
  • One participant suggests modeling the electric field quantum mechanically while treating the static charge as a constant source term in Maxwell's equations, highlighting the complexities involved.
  • Another participant discusses the possibility of modeling photon emission from a time-dependent charge density and the challenges of quantizing the electromagnetic field around a single electron.
  • A later reply indicates that the field may be composed of particles taking all possible paths, suggesting a more nuanced view of the field's composition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether electrostatic fields can be understood as composed of photons, with some asserting that this is incorrect while others explore the implications of such a perspective. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding of the relationship between classical electrostatic fields and their quantum counterparts, as well as the challenges in modeling static charges within quantum field theory.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum electrodynamics, theoretical physics, and the foundations of quantum field theory, particularly in relation to the nature of electromagnetic fields.

  • #31
Derek P said:
Then we will have to agree to disagree.
PeterDonis said:
Yes, that's common in QM interpretation discussions.
Derek P said:
Sometimes because the alternative is that one or more parties drop dead of exhaustion.
And that is why we generally close them when they reach the point of diminishing returns... As this one has.
Closed it is, although as usual if someone has something that hasn't already been said and that will bring the thread back from the point of diminishing returns, they can PM any mentor to ask that thread be reopened.
 

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