How can extrema points be used to prove mathematical inequalities?

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The discussion revolves around proving mathematical inequalities related to extrema points. The original poster presents two specific problems involving sums and determinants, both of which are situated in the context of mathematical analysis and linear algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to utilize Lagrange multipliers and differentiation to find extrema but encounters difficulties with complex derivatives. They also consider the possibility of relating the problems to linear algebra through matrices.
  • Some participants suggest looking for existing proofs or resources, indicating a search for established methods or inequalities that may apply.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing ideas and resources. There is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used, but suggestions for further exploration and external references have been provided.

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The problems are framed within a section about extrema points, and the original poster expresses concern about their algebra skills, which may affect their ability to proceed with the proofs.

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I'm reading a math book and found a couple of proofs I can't do.

1. Given [itex]x \in R^n, a \in R, \sum\limits_{i=1}^n{x_i}=na[/itex], prove that
[itex]\sum\limits_{i \in A}\prod\limits_{j = 1}^k {x_{i_j}} \leq \binom{k}{n}a^k[/itex] where
[itex]A = \{i \in \{1, 2, ... n\}^k : i_1 < i_2 < ... < i_k\}[/itex]
which essentially says that if the average of all [itex]x[/itex] is [itex]a[/itex], then taken a product of any k [itex]x[/itex], it will usually not be greater than [itex]a^k[/itex]

2. Given [itex]A = (a_{ij}) \in L(R^n)[/itex], prove that
[itex]\det^2 A \leq \prod\limits^n_{i=1}\sum\limits^n_{j=1}{a_{ij}^2}[/itex]

The problems are given in a section about extrema points. I do see that these can be proved by finding the minimum of (right side - left side). I do know how to use, in the first case, Lagrange multiplier and, in the second case, plain differentiation to find that point. The problem is that the derivatives turn out very ugly. I don't think I can solve them.

One idea I had was that there exist matrices that have determinants (or some other function) equal to the expressions or the left side of (1) and right side of (2), so that this whole problem could be lifted to linear algebra. But then my algebra is really poor.

I'd love to hear some suggestions about this.
 
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hamsterman said:
I'm reading a math book and found a couple of proofs I can't do.

1. Given [itex]x \in R^n, a \in R, \sum\limits_{i=1}^n{x_i}=na[/itex], prove that
[itex]\sum\limits_{i \in A}\prod\limits_{j = 1}^k {x_{i_j}} \leq \binom{k}{n}a^k[/itex] where
[itex]A = \{i \in \{1, 2, ... n\}^k : i_1 < i_2 < ... < i_k\}[/itex]
which essentially says that if the average of all [itex]x[/itex] is [itex]a[/itex], then taken a product of any k [itex]x[/itex], it will usually not be greater than [itex]a^k[/itex]

2. Given [itex]A = (a_{ij}) \in L(R^n)[/itex], prove that
[itex]\det^2 A \leq \prod\limits^n_{i=1}\sum\limits^n_{j=1}{a_{ij}^2}[/itex]

The problems are given in a section about extrema points. I do see that these can be proved by finding the minimum of (right side - left side). I do know how to use, in the first case, Lagrange multiplier and, in the second case, plain differentiation to find that point. The problem is that the derivatives turn out very ugly. I don't think I can solve them.

One idea I had was that there exist matrices that have determinants (or some other function) equal to the expressions or the left side of (1) and right side of (2), so that this whole problem could be lifted to linear algebra. But then my algebra is really poor.

I'd love to hear some suggestions about this.

(1) Follows from Maclaurin's inequality, which is stated in many places on-line, but proved in few. One proof can be found in http://www.nerdburrow.com/Newtonmaclaurininequality/ . The proof is short, but has some suspect aspects. A complete, but longer proof can be found in http://www2.math.su.se/gemensamt/grund/exjobb/matte/2004/rep21/report.pdf (which, despite its title, is in English).

RGV
 
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Thanks a lot.
Any ideas about (2)?
 
hamsterman said:
Thanks a lot.
Any ideas about (2)?

No, but I recall seeing it proved somewhere; I just don't remember where. I suggest you Google "determinant inequalities" so see what comes up.

RGV
 
If you're interested, I[/PLAIN] found it.

Thanks again. I wouldn't have thought that google could help here.
 
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