How can I calculate left and right-sided limits?

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The discussion revolves around calculating left and right-sided limits for various mathematical expressions at the point x=0. Participants explore different functions and their behaviors, particularly focusing on the implications of absolute values and the sine function.

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  • One participant asks how to calculate left and right-sided limits for expressions involving \(\frac{x}{a}[\frac{b}{x}]\), \(\frac{b}{x}[\frac{x}{a}]\), and \(\frac{x}{\sqrt{|sinx|}}\) at x=0.
  • Another participant suggests considering the definition of absolute value and the behavior of \(\sin x\) as x approaches 0.
  • A participant claims that for \(\frac{x}{a}[\frac{b}{x}]\), when x is not equal to 0, both left and right-sided limits equal \(\frac{b}{a}\), but questions whether the expression was meant to be \((\frac{x}{a})|b/x|\).
  • For the expression \(\frac{x}{\sqrt{|sinx|}}\), a participant notes that the behavior is symmetric around x=0 due to the properties of the sine function.
  • Another participant mentions difficulty in solving the second case and proposes using inequalities involving the floor function to establish bounds.
  • There is confusion regarding the meaning of the floor function and its implications in the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the floor function and its application in the limit calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and interpretations of the expressions presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the implications of the floor and ceiling functions, as well as the assumptions made about the behavior of the functions near x=0. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unclear.

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Hi,
How can I calculate left and right-sided limits?
\frac{x}{a}[\frac{b}{x}]
\frac{b}{x}[\frac{x}{a}]
\frac{x}{\sqrt{|sinx|}}
in point x=0.
Thanks for help.
 
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What have you done? think about how the definition of absolute value and how \sin x behaves when x \approx 0.
 


Phizyk said:
Hi,
How can I calculate left and right-sided limits?
\frac{x}{a}[\frac{b}{x}]
For x not equal to 0, this is just b/a and so has b/a as both right and left sided limits.
Or did you mean (x/a)|b/x|? In that case, you take left and right limits by looking at:
If x> 0 then |b/x|= |b|/x so (x/a)(|b|/x)= |b|/a
If x< 0 then |b/x|= -|b|/x so (x/a)(|b|/x)= -|b|/a

\frac{b}{x}[\frac{x}{a}]
Same comments

\frac{x}{\sqrt{|sinx|}}
in point x=0.
Thanks for help.
The last one should be easy. Since sin(-x)= -sin(x), |sin(-x)|= |sin(x)| and the only difference between x< 0 and x> 0 is in the numerator.
 


[\frac{b}{x}] it is entier function. I can not solve second case... It is harder than first. Can I do (\frac{x}{a}-1)\frac{b}{x}\leq{[\frac{x}{a}]\frac{b}{x}}\leq{\frac{b}{a}} and use |f(x)-g|\leq{\epsilon} so g=\frac{b}{a}?
 


Phizyk said:
[\frac{b}{x}] it is entier function.
I don't know what that means.

I can not solve second case... It is harder than first. Can I do (\frac{x}{a}-1)\frac{b}{x}\leq{[\frac{x}{a}]\frac{b}{x}}\leq{\frac{b}{a}} and use |f(x)-g|\leq{\epsilon} so g=\frac{b}{a}?
Where did the "-1" in \frac{x}{a}-1[/itex] come from?
 


[\frac{b}{x}] the floor and ceiling functions.
x-1\leq{[x]}\leq{x}
 


Chose one! Does it mean the floor or the ceiling. It can't be both! If you mean [x] is the integer between x-1 and x, then it is the floor.
 

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