How Can I Calculate the Head Increase of a Rotating Object Underwater?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the increase in hydrostatic head on valves attached to a rotating underwater object, specifically an offshore jacket, as it transitions from a horizontal to a vertical position. The problem involves determining the head increase over time as the object rotates and is ballasted.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving an underwater object rotating from an initial angle of 17 degrees to a final angle of 0 degrees, seeking to calculate the head increase over time.
  • Another participant suggests that more information and possibly a diagram are needed to understand the problem, noting that the size of the object could affect pressure changes.
  • A participant clarifies that the jacket is ballasted with water, leading to a change in hydrostatic head as it rotates to a vertical position.
  • Further questions are raised regarding the references for the angles, dimensions of the jacket, water depth, and valve locations, indicating that the provided information is insufficient for a comprehensive analysis.
  • A participant simplifies the problem to a scenario where an object rotates from 90 degrees to 180 degrees, asking for the time it takes to complete this rotation incrementally every 10 seconds.
  • One participant expresses that calculating the time to reach 180 degrees is complex, as it depends on factors like drag forces in the water.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for additional information, such as dimensions, weight, and ballast tank details, to estimate the time required for the jacket to rotate.
  • A recommendation is made to consult a naval architect for a thorough evaluation, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that more information is needed to address the problem effectively. There are multiple competing views on how to approach the calculations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the scenario.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include missing assumptions about the object's dimensions, weight, and the specifics of the ballast system. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the effects of drag forces and the complexity of the calculations involved.

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Hi all I have an object (which has valves attached) underwater which rotates from a starting point of 17 degrees to 0 , as the object rotates the hydrostatic head on the valves increases over time.

how can I calculate the head increase over a time period (per 10 seconds) until I reach 0 degree final angle ?

initial angle = 17 deg
final angle = 0 deg
initial head = 100m
initial flow rate = 2.7 m3/s per 10 seconds ( at 100m head)



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Not my field but I think we are going to need more info and probably a diagram.

For example if the object is very small then turning it by any angle won't increase the depth of any part relative to any other by very much. So the pressure on any part isn't going to change much.
 
hydrostatic head and time

hey this is an underwater offshore jacket which will be rotated to a vertical position so a heavy item !

the jacket legs are ballasted with water so as its ballasted the jacket rotates, hence the head is changing as it gets to a vertical position.

As its being ballasted the valves move towards the bottom hence a greater hydrostatic head.
 
Like CW said, a diagram would be quite helpful to us in visualizing your problem. A jacket is a complicated structure.

What are the references for your angles? Is an angle of zero degrees horizontal? Vertical?
What are the dimensions of your jacket? I think that would affect the answer.
What water depth is the jacket designed to be installed in?
Where on the jacket are your valves installed?

You can see that the information provided is insufficient for us to help you.
 
ok unfortunately I don't have a drawing atm, but I can simplify the problem.

If you have an object lying at sea at 90 degrees horizontal this then rotates until it reaches vertical i.e. 180 degrees

I need to calculate how long it takes to get to 180 degrees say incrementally every 10 seconds. The object is 140m long and is ballasted at a rate of 2.3 m3/s (per 10 seconds).

Thanks
 
I need to calculate how long it takes to get to 180 degrees

That's a much harder problem (too hard for me). The speed at which it rotates will depend on things like the drag forces as it moves through the water.
 
A lot more information is needed. Dimensions of the jacket, the weight of the jacket (empty), location of the c.g. of the jacket (empty), sizes and locations of the ballast tanks, ...

I don't know if this is some school project or if someone wants to determine the response of a real structure, but the ballast rate is not enough information by far to even estimate how long it would take to upend the jacket.

I would recommend that you consult a naval architect who is experienced in working with offshore structures.
Be prepared to furnish a lot of information for him to review.
 

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