How can I calculate the maximum velocity of a car without considering friction?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum velocity of a car propelled by weights dropping from a height, focusing on the conversion of gravitational potential energy (GPE) to kinetic energy (KE). The original poster seeks to determine a theoretical maximum velocity while disregarding friction, given constants such as the mass of the car and weights, and the height from which the weights are dropped.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster describes measuring the time and distance traveled by the car to relate work done to kinetic energy. They question whether this method is the simplest approach and seek alternative methods that require fewer steps.
  • Another participant suggests using the relationship between kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy directly, questioning the application of the work formula in this context.
  • The original poster expresses difficulty in comparing actual and theoretical velocities, noting that only average velocity can be measured experimentally.
  • One participant introduces a formula for acceleration that could simplify the calculations, indicating a potential alternative approach to finding velocity.

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Participants are working under the constraint of not being able to measure actual final velocity directly, which complicates their comparisons between theoretical and experimental results. The discussion also reflects the challenge of applying certain physics formulas correctly in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


The model is a car with weights dropping from certain height and propels the car forwards. (Some GPE converted to KE knowledge involved.) And the question is to find a theoretic maximum velocity (final velocity) as the mass of car/weight and the height of weights are constant. All the frictions are not taking in consideration. We know the distance(s) and the time (t), also the M (mass of weights) and the H(height of weights).

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What I did is to measure the running time of car and the distance the car traveled within this time. Therefore, the work has done is completely equal to the kinetic energy. W=KE=GPE=mgh. (Due to the formula W=Fd, the force can be calculated. Then F=ma, acceleration of car has worked out. Finally the V, by Vt=V0+at, is calculated.

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My question is that is this the easiest way to solve it? Is there any other method that can work without thinking so many procedures?
 
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Hi wermichiel! Welcome to PF!
wermichiel said:
… (Due to the formula W=Fd, the force can be calculated. Then F=ma, acceleration of car has worked out. Finally the V, by Vt=V0+at, is calculated.

My question is that is this the easiest way to solve it? Is there any other method that can work without thinking so many procedures?

Yes!

Your formula W = Fd (for the work done) doesn't really work in this case (what is d?).

As you say, KE = GPE= mgh,

so just use KE = 1/2 mv2. :wink:
 
thanks for answering.
but what i trying to do is comparing the actual and theoretical final velocity
as I cannot measure the actual final velocity in the experiment, only average velocity can be worked out by Va= S/t =.=
however the KE=1/2mv^2 is dealing with the final velocity
this is where I am struggling
W=fd, f=force d=distance, w= work
 
a = 2(s - ut)/t2
ah! a formula is applied to this condition!
calculating the A by this way can avoid the calculation of work
then use V=U+at , there is the V!
 

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