How can I calculate the tension force?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the tension force in a scenario involving a bridge and its weight. The problem context includes elements of statics and mechanics, particularly focusing on forces and torques in a two-dimensional setup.

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  • Participants explore the formula for tension and its application, questioning the assumptions made regarding the setup, such as the angle between the bridge and the wall. There are discussions about the uniform load and the need for a clear diagram to interpret the forces accurately.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions and the clarity of the problem statement. Some guidance has been offered regarding the standard procedures for analyzing forces and torques, and the importance of drawing a free-body diagram has been highlighted.

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There is uncertainty regarding the angle between the bridge and the wall, which is critical for calculating the resulting force. Additionally, the original problem statement appears to be incomplete, leading to varied interpretations among participants.

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Homework Statement
Find the tension force that the rope is doing to the bridge (see attached image)
Relevant Equations
T=mg
I don´t know if others apply
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This is my attemp of solution:

Since the formula to calculate the tension is T=mg
I first calcualted the weight of the bridge with the ecuation
W= mg m=W/g
m= 18,000 N / 9.81 m/s
m= 1834 kg

So T=(1834)(9.81)= 17,991 N

But this seems no logical to me because the Tension force is a bit less than the weight force of the bridge, I think it should de more
 
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elleo said:
the formula to calculate the tension is T=mg
That would only be for the simple case of a mass hanging statically and vertically, with no other support for the mass.
The diagram is unclear without more explanation. Is it a uniform load of 3kN/m (in which case, the arrows are showing torque about the joint)?

There is a standard procedure for solving just about any 2D mechanics problem:
- pick a rigid component;
- consider the sum of forces and resulting acceleration (ΣF=ma) in each of two directions, usually at right angles;
- pick an axis and consider the sum of torques and resulting acceleration (Στ=Iα) about the axis.
Since this is a statics question, a=α=0.
 
Yes, it’s a uniform 3 KN/m
And the diagram doesn’t give the angle between the bridge and the wall, so I don’t know if it’s possible to calculate the resulting force
 
Pretty sure you should assume that the angle between the bridge and wall is 90°. If in doubt, specify your assumption in your submitted answer. If the problem statement leaves out critical information, it's your choice to specify your assumptions. Markers can't (well, shouldn't) penalize for missing information.
 
elleo said:
Yes, it’s a uniform 3 KN/m
Please submit the entire actual problem statement. Arrows in that form generally means a linearly increasing load, not a uniform load unless what is shown is the resulting torque at each point (which would be incompatible with the 3 kN/m quoted at the end).
 
elleo said:
m= 18,000 N / 9.81 m/s
m= 1834 kg

So T=(1834)(9.81)= 17,991

Don't you see that you've just gone in a circle? You took 18 000 N, divided it by ##g##, and then multiplied the result by ##g##. Apart from the round-off error, you end up with exactly what you started with, 18 000 N.

Can you draw a free-body diagram of the beam and then use the 1st and 2nd conditions for equilibrium to set up your equations? Hint, ##T=mg## will not be one of those equations. And your intuition that ##T## should be greater than the magnitude of the weight force is correct. Note that the magnitude of the weight force is ##mg##.
 

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