How can I change the airflow under a hotel room door to the hall?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the problem of cigarette smoke entering hotel rooms from hallways and other rooms, specifically through gaps around doors. Participants explore various methods to change airflow dynamics to mitigate this issue, considering factors such as temperature, pressure, and physical barriers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that adjusting the temperature in the room could influence airflow and potentially prevent smoke from entering.
  • Another proposes using a towel at the bottom of the door, while acknowledging that gaps on the sides remain problematic.
  • Some participants argue that cooling the room might increase air density, causing air to flow outwards rather than in.
  • There are suggestions to use masking tape to seal the door or to turn off bathroom exhaust fans, which may contribute to air being sucked into the room.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of using a fan in the window to pressurize the room, although practicality is questioned.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of various methods, with some participants expressing frustration over previous unsuccessful attempts to block smoke.
  • Discussion includes the idea that altitude or the floor number might affect airflow dynamics, with some suggesting a higher floor could help if the window is opened.
  • There is a mention of the legality of smoking indoors in some areas, contrasting experiences in different regions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to prevent smoke from entering hotel rooms. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain, with varying degrees of skepticism about their effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the influence of temperature and pressure on airflow, as well as the practicality of proposed solutions. There are unresolved questions regarding the impact of external factors like wind direction and altitude on airflow dynamics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to travelers concerned about smoke infiltration in hotel rooms, as well as those exploring the physics of airflow and pressure differences in enclosed spaces.

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I spend a lot of time in hotel rooms around the world and the US. The biggest problem I have is with cigarette smoke that comes into my room from the hallway and other rooms. The smoke generally enters my room through the space at the bottom of the door and through the space on the sides. I've noticed that usually there is a draft of air that comes into the room from those spaces around the door.

I was wondering if adjusting the temperature in the room could change the airflow so the smoke would not enter the room but stay in the halls.

Does the airflow under the door have anything to do with pressure or temperature in the room? Should I make the room hotter or colder then the hallway? Should the fan or aircon in the room be on or off? If there is a window that opens to the outside (not usually) should that be opened or closed? And would altitude (floor number) matter with the window?

Thanks. :-)
 
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A towel along the bottom of the door works for me.

However, if smoke becomes a problem, in many areas of the US, it is now illegal to smoke indoors. If there is a smoker's convention outside your door in the hallway, I would complain to the management of the hotel or reserve a room in the non-smoking part of the hotel.
 
A towel might works for the bottom, but the sides are still drafty. Air/Smoke is insidious and will travel if there is an opening. In Vegas management won't do anything. And in Asia/South America/Eastern Europe everyone smokes everywhere.

In the last 8 years I've done every towel trick and manager complaint you can possibly imagine. I've run out of options. Now I'm hoping science will help.
 
ajdedo said:
And in Asia/South America/Eastern Europe everyone smokes everywhere.
In all hotels I have been, smoking is strictly prohibited everywhere, as they have smoke alarms.
 
Anything that makes the air around the door area cold should help. This will increase the density of the air and generally the air should move outwards rather than in. How easily could you get hold of some dry ice?
 
Why don't you just bring a roll of wide masking tape and tape up the door?
Other than that, the bathroom exhaust fans usually suck in. Turn them off.
 
Air flows from high pressure to low one since the pressure of cold air is more than that of hot air, cooling the room could be a solution
 
ElmorshedyDr said:
Air flows from high pressure to low

Not necessarily. Gravity winds and the downward segment of Hadley cells are two exceptions that come readily to mind.
 
If the pressure inside the hotel room is constant there must be a similar volume of air escaping from the room as entering under the door. Find out how the air is getting out of the room and you might have the answer.

For example if the air is being sucked out via the air conditioning system then turning the aircon off might work.

I suppose you could fit a fan in the window and use it to pressurise the room slightly but that probably wouldn't be very practical :-)

Try asking for a room on the upwind side of the building and leave the window open slightly?
 
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Thanks.

tfr000 said:
Why don't you just bring a roll of wide masking tape and tape up the door?
Other than that, the bathroom exhaust fans usually suck in. Turn them off.

Masking tape is my newest trick, but it only works when you don't want to leave or enter the room again for a while.

And the bathroom fan is a good point. Thanks.

ElmorshedyDr said:
Air flows from high pressure to low one since the pressure of cold air is more than that of hot air, cooling the room could be a solution

Jilang said:
Anything that makes the air around the door area cold should help. This will increase the density of the air and generally the air should move outwards rather than in. How easily could you get hold of some dry ice?

Dry ice, no. But cooling the room with the air-conditioning is what I'll have to do. I'll try to make the room cooler than the halls. That's what I was looking for. Thanks!
 
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How about wearing a face mask with a good filter?
 
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Someone else suggested a higher floor with the window open, but wouldn't cause a vacuum and pull the air out?
 
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If you are referring to my post I didn't say "higher" I said "upwind".
 
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Yes, it's important that the air flows into the window and not past it.
 
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CWatters said:
If you are referring to my post I didn't say "higher" I said "upwind".

No, I was referring to someone else completely. But now that you mention it, I wasn't quite sure what you meant by "upwind side of the building". I guess it's like the quote below? Air blowing into the room?

Jilang said:
Yes, it's important that the air flows into the window and not past it.

Got it, thanks. Though it's hard to control the wind ;-)
 

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