How can I correctly find the eigenvectors for this matrix?

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvectors for a given matrix, specifically the matrix \(\left( \begin{array}{ccc}3&0&6\\0&-3&0\\5&0&2 \end{array} \right)\). Participants are exploring the process of determining eigenvectors associated with the eigenvalues -3 and 8.

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  • Participants discuss the correct formulation of the eigenvector equation, questioning the use of determinants and the setup of the matrix equation. There are attempts to substitute eigenvalues into the characteristic polynomial and to derive eigenvectors from the resulting equations. Some participants express confusion over the arithmetic involved and the nature of the eigenvectors.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing corrections and clarifications regarding the setup of the equations. There is recognition of the need for independent eigenvectors and exploration of the general forms of eigenvectors. Some participants have identified errors in previous calculations, while others are seeking to clarify the number of independent eigenvectors associated with the eigenvalues.

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Participants note the requirement for independent eigenvectors and discuss the implications of algebraic multiplicity on the number of eigenvectors. There is mention of discrepancies between personal calculations and external resources, such as Mathematica.

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find the eigenvectors for this matrix
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{ccc}3&0&6\\0&-3&0\\5&0&2 \end{array} \right)[/tex]

easy to find the eigenvectors which are -3,-3 and 8
now how to find the eigenvectors
am i supposed to do
[tex]\left| \lambda I - A \right| X = 3 X[/tex]?
then
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{ccc} -6&0&6\\0&0&0\\5&0&-5 \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array}{c} X_{1}\\X_{2}\\X_{3} \end{array} \right) = 0[/tex] ? an find the solution for X1 x2 and X3?
it comes 1,0,1 then, which is not correct...

pleas help!
 
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Well, you set

[tex]\left( \begin{array}{ccc} -6&0&6\\0&0&0\\5&0&-5 \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array}{c} X_{1}\\X_{2}\\X_{3} \end{array} \right) = 0[/tex]

up right but

[tex]\left| \lambda I - A \right| X = 3 X[/tex] is wrong. The equation you need to solve is
[tex]( \lambda I - A ) X = 0[/tex] for [tex]\lambda[/tex] = -3, and then 8. You only take the determinant if you're trying to find the eigenvalues. You can derive it because you're trying to solve

[tex]A X = \lambda X = \lambda I X[/tex]
[tex]A X - \lambda I X = 0[/tex]
[tex](A - \lambda I) X = 0[/tex]
or
[tex](\lambda I - A) X = 0[/tex]

But the final matrix equation you gave is not solved by (1, 0, 1). Probably just an arithmetic error.
 
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this is the matrix for the characteristic polynomai lright ...
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{ccc}\lambda -3&0&6\\0&\lambda+3&0\\5&0&\lambda -2 \end{array} \right)[/tex]

when u substitute -3 in there you get
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{ccc} -6&0&6\\0&0&0\\5&0&-5 \end{array} \right)[/tex]
isnt htat correct?
Please point out my math error here...
 
D'oh, I was confused. The error is the 6 and the 5 in the top right and bottom left corners. They should be negative.
 
0rthodontist said:
D'oh, I was confused. The error is the 6 and the 5 in the top right and bottom left corners. They should be negative.

OF COURSE! I was completely disregarding that everything lese in the matrix A will be negated

thank you
 
so from the -3 one of the eigenvectors is [-1 0 1] but why not [1 0 -1]??

since there are only 2 eigenvalues how would you get the third eigenvalue?
 
I don't know what your question is. (-1, 0, 1) is an eigenvector for -3 and (1, 0, -1) is another eigenvector for -3, though they are not independent. Use row reduction to find the general form that an eigenvector for -3 must take, and you can get 2 independent eigenvectors.
 
the real question is to diagonalize this matrix
and to diagonalizei need to find P where P = [X1 X2 X3 ... Xn]
thus i need to find THREE eigenvectors
 
You don't need just any three eigenvectors, you need three independent eigenvectors. The third comes from 8. Can you give the general form that an eigenvector for -3 must take?
 
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however the text (and mathematica) say that hte eigenvectors are
[-1 0 1]
[0 1 0]
[6 0 5]
how how?
 
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Can you give the general form that an eigenvector for -3 must take?
 
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0rthodontist said:
Can you give the general form that an eigenvector for -3 must take?

nevermind...
i found the last eigenvector when i used the eigenvalue 8 and it yielded 2 independent eigenvectors
 
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8 yields only 1 independent eigenvector. It has algebraic multiplicity 1 so it can't yield more than that.
 

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