How can I express h in terms of D for this problem?

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The discussion revolves around expressing the variable h in terms of D within the context of a mathematical problem involving hyperbolic functions, specifically sinh. Participants are examining equations derived from the problem statement and attempting to manipulate them to isolate h.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to simplify expressions involving hyperbolic functions and exponentials. There is a focus on manipulating equations to express h in terms of another variable, D, with some participants questioning their own steps and assumptions regarding the use of sinh and its properties.

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The discussion is ongoing, with several participants sharing their attempts and corrections. Some have provided guidance on manipulating the equations further, while others express uncertainty about their previous steps and seek clarification on the mathematical properties involved.

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Participants note potential mistakes in their calculations and the need for clearer definitions of variables. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the hyperbolic functions involved and the implications of their manipulations on the overall problem.

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That is how far i have got, using that sinh(x)=1/2(e^(x)-e^(-x))
I have to express h in terms of D
 
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Firstly let

\sqrt{\frac{2.09\cdot 10^6}{D}}=x

just to make things clearer and easier to write out. Now we have

0.5=\frac{e^{xh-10x}-e^{10x-xh}}{e^{xh}-e^{-xh}}

So we need to find h in terms of x (which is in terms of D, we can substitute back at the end)
Multiplying through by the denominator of the fraction, and then by 2e^{xh}[/tex] remember that e^x\cdot e^{-x}=1 and e^{x}\cdot e^{x}=e^{2x}<br /> So we now have<br /> <br /> e^{2xh}-1=2e^{2xh-10x}-2e^{10x}<br /> <br /> and from here just rearrange, factorize out the exponents with h present, and solve from there using logs and such.
 
Seems like i have made a mistake sinh(x+y)=sinh(x).cosh(y)+sinh(y).cosh(x)
considering that and your help I've got this
[PLAIN]http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6678/probp.png
but i have no idea what to do next
 
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whatsoever said:
Seems like i have made a mistake sinh(x+y)=sinh(x).cosh(y)+sinh(y).cosh(x)
I haven't studied sinh myself, so I took your word for it. I like that it's similar to the sin(a+b) expansion :wink:

whatsoever said:
considering that and your help I've got this
[PLAIN]http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6678/probp.png
but i have no idea what to do next

Again multiply through by exh and you can easily simplify things, such as the e^{2xh-10x}e^{-2xh-10x} term
 
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Mentallic said:
I haven't studied sinh myself, so I took your word for it. I like that it's similar to the sin(a+b) expansion :wink:
Again multiply through by exh and you can easily simplify things, such as the e^{2xh-10x}e^{-2xh-10x} term

i've made a mistake when writing it its not e^{2xh-10x}e^{-2xh-10x}, its e^{2xh-10x}+e^{-2xh-10x}
 
Then multiply through by e2xh. You'll get a quadratic in e2xh, and if you can't see it, let u=e2xh and treat other terms such as e-10x as constants, then solve the quadratic in u, then substitute back.
 

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