How can I integrate sqrt(9-x^2) by hand?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\sqrt{9-x^2}\). Participants are exploring methods to evaluate the integral \(\int \sqrt{9-x^2} \, \mathrm{d} x\), with a focus on whether it can be done "by hand" as opposed to using computational tools.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of trigonometric substitution, with one suggesting \(x=3\sin(t)\). There is also mention of u-substitution and integration by parts as methods that might apply. Questions arise regarding the meaning of 'dx' and the applicability of learned techniques.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided suggestions for trigonometric substitution and clarified the relationship between different substitution methods. Others express uncertainty about their current knowledge of these techniques and whether they can tackle the problem now or need to study further.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes that their teacher indicated the integral might not be solvable "by hand," which raises questions about the expectations for solving such integrals in a homework context. There is also a mention of the geometric interpretation of the integral when evaluated over specific limits.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate
$$\int_ \ \sqrt[2]{9-x^{2}} \, \mathrm{d} x.$$

Homework Equations



U substitution
Integration by parts

The Attempt at a Solution



My teacher said it wasn't possible "by hand", but Wolframalpha provided a step-by-step solution. I'm clueless as to how wolfram came up with the substitutions/steps and how a mere mortal as myself could possibly be expected to do the same. If you could walk me through the logic behind the steps that wolfram provides, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm really just curious about the process as I just can't seem to wrap my head around it.

Wolfram's steps: http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/view.jsp?id=dc816cd78d306d7bda61f6facf5f17f7Thanks!
 
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physicsdreams said:

Homework Statement



Evaluate
$$\int \sqrt{9-x^2} \, \mathrm{d} x.$$

Homework Equations



U substitution
Integration by parts

The Attempt at a Solution



My teacher said it wasn't possible "by hand", but Wolframalpha provided a step-by-step solution. I'm clueless as to how wolfram came up with the substitutions/steps and how a mere mortal as myself could possibly be expected to do the same. If you could walk me through the logic behind the steps that wolfram provides, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm really just curious about the process as I just can't seem to wrap my head around it.

Wolfram's steps: http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/view.jsp?id=dc816cd78d306d7bda61f6facf5f17f7


Thanks!

What do you mean 'by hand'. You can certainly integrate it with a trig substitution. Try x=3*sin(t). What's dx? The Wolfram reference you gave is about integrating sec^3(x). I don't see what that has to do with this problem.
 
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Hey Dick,

Thanks for your reply. I suppose we haven't learned trig substitution yet, so I guess that's my problem.
As for the dx, doesn't that mean 'in respect to x'?

Thanks!
 
physicsdreams said:
Hey Dick,

Thanks for your reply. I suppose we have learned trig substitution yet, so I guess that's my problem.
As for the dx, doesn't that mean 'in respect to x'?

Thanks!

Not knowing trig substitution probably is not a help. But you know ordinary u substitution, yes? It's the same thing except you use trig functions. If you put x=t^2 then dx=2tdt. If you put x=3*sin(t) then dx=3*cos(t)dt. Same general idea.
 
Dick said:
Not knowing trig substitution probably is not a help. But you know ordinary u substitution, yes? It's the same thing except you use trig functions. If you put x=t^2 then dx=2tdt. If you put x=3*sin(t) then dx=3*cos(t)dt. Same general idea.

Alright then, I guess that's something I'll have to study later on.
Thanks!
 
physicsdreams said:
Alright then, I guess that's something I'll have to study later on.
Thanks!

Well, ok. You could probably do it now if you took a crack at it. It's not that mysterious. But if you want to wait till later, that's ok too.
 
If it's a definite integral, with certain limits, then you can evaluate the integral be exploiting the geometry involved.

For example, if it happens to be
$$ \int_0^3 \sqrt{9 - x^2}dx$$
then the integral represents one quarter of the area of a circle of radius 3, centered at (0, 0).
 
Integrate by parts

$$\int \sqrt{a^2-x^2} \mathrm{dx}=
x\sqrt{a^2-x^2}-\int \frac{-x^2}{\sqrt{a^2-x^2}} \mathrm{dx}$$
$$=x \sqrt{a^2-x^2}-\int \frac{a^2-x^2}{\sqrt{a^2-x^2}} \mathrm{dx}+a^2 \int \frac{1}{\sqrt{a^2-x^2}} \mathrm{dx}=x \sqrt{a^2-x^2}-\int \sqrt{a^2-x^2} \mathrm{dx}+a^2\arcsin(x/a) $$
From which we conclude
$$\int \sqrt{a^2-x^2} \mathrm{dx}=\frac{1}{2}\left(x\sqrt{a^2-x^2}+a^2\arcsin(x/a)\right)$$
An unrestricted form is
$$\int \sqrt{a^2-x^2} \mathrm{dx}=\frac{1}{2}\left(x \sqrt{a^2-x^2}+\arctan \left(\frac{x}{\sqrt{a^2-x^2}}\right)\right)
$$
 
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