How can I prove that the product of two periodic functions also has a period P?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the product of two periodic functions, f(x) and g(x), both with period P, also has period P. The subject area includes properties of periodic functions and Fourier series representation.

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  • The original poster attempts to use Fourier series to prove the periodicity of the product function, but encounters difficulties with the multiplication of series. Other participants suggest using the definition of periodicity directly and question the implications of the period being at most P.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of periodicity and the implications of the product of periodic functions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of definitions, but there is no explicit consensus on the nature of the period of the product function.

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There are discussions about the complexity of periodic functions and the potential for different periods arising from products, as illustrated by the example of sin x and cos x. The conversation reflects uncertainty about definitions and implications of periodicity.

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I am trying to prove that if f(x) and g(x) both have period P, then f(x)*g(x) also has period P.

What I tried to do was let f(x) and g(x) be represented as Fourier series

[tex]f(x)=a_{0,1}+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left[a_{n,1}cos(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)+b_{n,1}sin(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)\right][/tex]
[tex]g(x)=a_{0,2}+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left[a_{n,2}cos(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)+b_{n,2}sin(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)\right][/tex]

I then tried to multiply the right side of these 2 equations and then manipulate it to look like a Fourier series with constants [tex]a_{0,3},a_{n,3},b_{n_3}[/tex]. Multiplying it out became problematic when the last term became a product of two series:

[tex]\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left[a_{n,1}cos(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)+b_{n,1}sin(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)\right]\right)*\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left[a_{n,2}cos(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)+b_{n,2}sin(\frac{2{\pi}n}{P}x)\right]\right)[/tex]

Is there any easy way to simplify this...If not, is there a better strategy for approaching this problem? Thanks.
 
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It's much much easier than that. A function f is periodic if f(x+P)=f(x) for all x, where P is the period. Use that definition.
 
f and g don't necessarily equal their Fourier series. A periodic function can be very nasty. Just take the worst function you can think of on the unit interval and extend it to the real line to make a nasty function of period 1.

This is overly complicated in any case! This problem follows directly from the definition of periodic, what is f(x+nP)*g(x+nP) for an integer n?
 
Hmm... I think that depends on your definition of period. You can show that f(x + nP) * g(x + nP) = f(x) g(x) but to me that doesn't necessarily mean that the period is P, only that the period is at most P. A recent example on these forums was sin x cos x where each has period 2pi but their product, namely 1/2 sin 2x, has period pi. Would you say that the period is pi implies that the period is also 2pi, 3pi, etc.? It seems like an odd phrasing to me.
 
so then would an appropriate 'proof' be:

f(x)=f(x+nP), g(x)=g(x+nP)

h(x)=f(x)g(x)
h(x+nP)=f(x+nP)g(x+nP)
h(x+nP)=f(x)g(x)=h(x)

hence h(x) is also periodic with a period of P
 
Warr, that looks fine.

0rthodontist said:
Would you say that the period is pi implies that the period is also 2pi, 3pi, etc.?

Yes, I would. It's convenient to have your definitions set up so you don't have to worry that you have the minimal period and still be able to say your function has period P if that's all your require for whatever you are doing.
 
Oh, okay. .
 

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