How can I see a cables from 55 miles away?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the visibility of cables from a distance of 55 miles, specifically in the context of observing them with the naked eye and binoculars. Participants explore the factors influencing visibility, including reflection, resolution, and the properties of the cables and binoculars used.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes their ability to see aircraft warning lights and cables from a hill, prompting the question of how this is possible at such a distance.
  • Another participant speculates that the binoculars used (10x50) could enhance visibility, suggesting that larger diameter cables made of shiny materials like aluminum may reflect sunlight optimally, aiding visibility.
  • A different participant introduces the distinction between 'detecting' and 'resolving' objects in imaging, indicating that detection may rely on brightness rather than resolution.
  • It is proposed that the visibility of the cables may be due to sunlight reflecting off them, rather than actually resolving the cables themselves, which could appear larger due to the limitations of the binoculars' lens size.
  • Technical calculations are presented regarding angular resolution and apparent size of the cables as viewed through binoculars, suggesting that the perceived thickness of the cables may be exaggerated due to optical effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses about the visibility of the cables, but there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms or conditions that allow for this observation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the factors influencing visibility.

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Limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the properties of the cables, the specific conditions under which they are visible, and the characteristics of the binoculars used. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the optical calculations presented.

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I live on a hill at 700 feet and I can see the aircraft warning lights of Belmont TV transmitter at 1 100 feet which is 55 miles away with my naked eye.
With a small pair of binoculars I can see the mast which is tubular steel.
In the morning I can sometimes see the several sets of cables that hold it up.
The Sun rises in that direction but it is not in silhouette.
How can I see these cables from such a distance?
 
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What do you have for binocs 10 X 50? That would make the tower appear 5 miles away and the larger the second number, the greater the brightness. I'm guessing that the cables might be rather large in diameter (say over 1 inch or 25 mm) and that they are aluminum coated steel...the aluminum is very shiny and reflective...the sun might be hitting it at an optimum angle against a darkened sky...that is nonetheless quite a distance to see them...I'm no expert here on binoculars, so just guessing based on the reflective properties of aluminum. If the cables were rusting steel, forget about seeing them.
 
Annie Bynnol said:
<snip>How can I see these cables from such a distance?

In imaging, there is an important difference between 'detecting' and 'resolving' an object. Detection of sub-resolution objects is limited only by the signal-to-noise ratio, for example bright stars against the night sky, while resolving an object is limited by diffraction- can you tell if there is a single star as opposed to two closely spaced stars?
 
If you see it in the morning only, it may be that you are seeing the sun reflecting off of the cables. You are not resolving the cables themselves in this case, merely seeing brightness against a dimmer background. In the same way, I bet that you are not able to see the lamps when they are off but you can see red light when they are on. This is another way of expressing what Andy Resnick said above.

The apparent size of the light you see is related to the size of the lens you use to look, which we can estimate. To use the example of 10x50, the 50 refers to a 50 mm lens (this is a set of large binoculars). The angular resolution is[itex]\beta=1.22*\lambda/D[/itex] in radians, where λ is the wavelength of light and D is the lens diameter. Taking λ=500 nm and D=0.05 m gives β=1.2e-5 radians. Your tower is R=88 km away, and the apparent width of the cable is Rβ=1.1 m with 10x50 binoculars. That cable looks approximately 3.5 feet thick, even though it's probably a fraction of an inch in reality. A smaller lens would make it look even thicker.

In other words, the light you are seeing shows up because it's bright, and your small lens makes it look like the smallest object the lens can resolve at that distance--which turns out to be quite large!
 
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