How can I show that the amplitude of a reflected wave?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the amplitude of a reflected wave, specifically referencing Feynman's approach in his Lectures on Physics. Participants explore different methods of understanding this concept, including the use of Fresnel's formulas and considerations of light polarization.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Feynman's derivation of Fresnel's formulas and discusses the challenge of showing that the amplitude of the reflected wave is real, using light rays approaching a glass surface.
  • Another participant suggests that Feynman intended for students to derive the results themselves, noting that the algebra involved can be quite difficult.
  • A participant expresses familiarity with modern teaching methods and emphasizes curiosity about alternative explanations beyond Maxwell's equations.
  • There is a request for additional insights rather than a complete replacement of Feynman's approach, indicating a desire for a broader understanding of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the amplitude of the reflected wave, with multiple viewpoints on the methods and challenges involved remaining evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the algebra involved and the potential for different interpretations of Feynman's intent, which may affect the understanding of the derivation process.

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In Feynman Lectures on Physics (you can find it online), chapter 33 of volume 1, the author derives Fresnel's formulas for the coefficient of reflection in an unusual way by making considerations about the different possible polarization of light. In this way he derives the squares of the amplitudes of the reflected waves. When it comes to find the amplitude itself he says that it is possible to show by similar arguments that it must be real by considering two light rays coming from both sides of a glass surface simultaneously (he says that it is fun to analyze theoretically, I don't Know what does he mean by fun xD). I tried to use the same arguments to find the equations and then let the amplitude of one of the waves go to 0 to retrieve the original Solution, and I find indeed that the amplitude is the same, although I haven't yet managed to show it is the same derived by Feynman because of the horrible algebra. However I'm far from being sure that I've done everything alright so I wanted to ask if anybody knows How did the author mean to show it. Thank you in advance
 
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"The Author" in question meant for the student to figure it out.
"Horrible algebra" was par for the course in his day - students were expected to be good at algebra, the assignment was supposed to tax their abilities, and he did lecture at a top university.

Instead of trying to figure how Feynman would have done it, why not try seeing how it is usually taught today using a modern textbook?
 
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Actually I know how it is usually taught (Feynman himself uses the more common approach in the second volume), so it's not a problem of understanding the subject, it's just that I am curious to know how things that everybody think can only be shown by means of Maxwell's equations have actually other explanations.
 
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Actually I know how it is usually taught (Feynman himself uses the more common approach in the second volume), so it's not a problem of understanding the subject, it's just that I am curious to know how things that everybody think can only be shown by means of Maxwell's equations have actually other explanations.
OK but please 'in addition to' ,not 'instead of'. :)
 
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