How can I simplify commutators with a useful trick?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying commutators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on angular momentum operators and their relationships with position and momentum operators.

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  • The original poster attempts to simplify the expression for the commutator of angular momentum operators but finds the process cumbersome. They inquire about useful tricks for handling commutators in general.
  • Some participants suggest that the simplification may vary depending on the specific case and mention a general formula for angular momentum commutators.
  • Others propose working through partial commutators and utilizing known relationships between position and momentum operators.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches and insights. While some guidance has been provided regarding methods to tackle the commutators, there is no explicit consensus on a single effective trick applicable to all cases.

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There is an indication that the discussion is situated within an introductory quantum mechanics context, which may impose certain constraints on the complexity of the methods discussed.

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\left[L_{x},L_{y}\right]=\left[yp_{z}-zp_{y},zp_{x}-xp_{z}\right]<br /> =\left[yp_{z},zp_{x}\right]-\left[zp_{y},zp_{x}\right]-\left[yp_{z},xp_{z}\right]+\left[zp_{y},xp_{z}\right]<br />

How next?

My book is not of much help
I Tried
\left[A,BC\right]=\left[A,B\right]C+B\left[A,C\right]

But that is too much work
Does anybody knows a useful trick or something
not only for this case, but for al commutators

Thanks guys
 
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Sometimes you must do the hard work. It depends from case to case regarding what trick you can use, no gereneral rule.

But the general formula for angular momenta commutators is:
[J_i , J_j ] = i\hbar \epsilon _{ijk} J_k
 
Yes thanks
but how can i work this out?
 
Fys said:
Yes thanks
but how can i work this out?

by working out all partial commutators and using the commutator between position and momentumoperators. Or starting from group theory of rotations.. but I assume this is introductory QM course, so start with the first option ;)

\left[yp_{z},zp_{x}\right]-\left[zp_{y},zp_{x}\right]-\left[yp_{z},xp_{z}\right]+\left[zp_{y},xp_{z}\right]

Start with \left[A,BC\right]=\left[A,B\right]C+B\left[A,C\right]
a couple of times til you get things like [x,p_y] ; [y,z] etc

I got the same task in my intro QM course, took me a couple of hours ;)
 
oke thanks :P
 
Easier: first work out [L_i,x_j] and [L_i,p_j] using the explicit form of L_i. Then use the [A,BC] formula to get [L_i, x_j p_k].
 

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