How Can I Verify My Pulley System Calculations for Weight and Movement?

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The discussion revolves around verifying calculations related to a pulley system involving a weight and the forces acting on a scale. Participants explore the effects of tension, friction, and the balance of forces in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) estimates a pull of approximately 51.5 lbs at the scale and asserts that the pull is equal in both directions, suggesting no lateral movement.
  • One participant agrees with the OP's calculation for a frictionless system, providing a tensile force of approximately 229.3 N and noting slight imbalances due to friction.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of the scale being "unbalanced," stating that if tensions were different, the scale would move sideways, and presents a calculation involving tensions in the vertical ropes.
  • A different participant confirms the OP's result of 51.5 lbs and mentions that equal pulley ratios simplify the calculations, leading to identical tensions in the bottom ropes.
  • The OP expresses gratitude for the feedback and indicates that they are not concerned about friction for their project, emphasizing that approximate results are sufficient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the OP's calculation of 51.5 lbs; however, there are competing views regarding the effects of friction and the balance of forces in the system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of friction on the scale's reading and movement.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific ratios and tensions without fully resolving the implications of friction in the system or the exact calculations leading to the tensions mentioned.

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Would really be a big help if someone could look at my drawing and verify what I have come up with.

Basically pulleys with cable wrapped around then and a weight hanging off the bottom. What I am interested in is what the wight pull at the pull scale would be and if their is any left or right movement of the scale.

I come up with aprox 51.5# of pull at the scale and pull is equal in both directions so it shouldn't be pulled left or right.

Thanks for looking.
 

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Mopar_Mudder: Your answer in post 1 looks correct, for a frictionless system. The tensile force applied to each side of the scale would be approximately 229.3 N. The force on the scale actually would be slightly imbalanced (228.9 N to the left, and 229.6 N to the right), but the friction in the system is probably sufficient to prevent the scale from moving to the right. In fact, the scale reading might be significantly less than 228.9 N, due to losses to friction in the pulley axles.
 
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The scale can't be "unbalanced". Ignoring friction, if the rope tensions on the two sides of the scale were different, the scale would move sideways.

If the tension shown the scale is T, the tensions in the two vertical ropes are
(3/7.72)T and (1.55/4)T and the sum of those tensions = 40lb. The OP's answer is correct.
 
Welcome to Physics Forums, Mopar_Mudder :smile:
Mopar_Mudder said:
Any good forums for "hobby" engineers to get help?

Thanks
You're fine here. Just for future reference, it never hurts to show your calculations, and it might help get a faster response.

I also agree with the 51.5 lb result. It helps make the calculations easier that the two pulley ratios (3/7.72) and (1.55/4) are equal, so the two bottom ropes must have identical 20 lb tensions.
 
Thanks for all the replys and help. Been a few years since I was that deep into calculations so I just wanted to make sure what I was doing was correct. Not worried about the friction in the system. For this project close is close enough.

I'll make sure I post up calcs next time.
 

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