How can materials become stronger through the introduction of weak bonds?

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The discussion revolves around the factors that contribute to the strength of materials, particularly focusing on the role of atomic bonds and the introduction of weak bonds in enhancing material strength. Participants explore various theories and examples related to metals and ceramics, examining how different bonding types and structural defects influence material properties.

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  • Some participants suggest that the strength of materials is fundamentally linked to the density and the nature of atomic bonds, with a material being as strong as its weakest bond.
  • Others argue that strength is determined by impediments to failure mechanisms, such as dislocation motion in metals and crack propagation in ceramics.
  • A participant highlights that introducing weak or unsatisfied bonds, like dislocations and grain boundaries in metals or voids in ceramics, can actually enhance strength.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between bond strength and overall material strength, noting that while covalent and ionic bonds are stronger than metallic bonds, metals can exhibit greater strength than covalent and ionic crystals in tension.
  • One participant references literature that critiques the simplistic view of bond strength determining material strength, sharing an anecdote about a material that failed to perform as expected despite having strong bonds.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the assertion that a material's strength is solely determined by its weakest bond. Multiple competing views are presented, particularly concerning the role of weak bonds and structural defects in enhancing material strength.

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Participants acknowledge that strength can vary with temperature and that density is influenced by atomic mass and interatomic distance. There are also references to specific examples and literature that illustrate the complexities of material strength.

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what is it that makes materials strong ?

density ? melted ? chemistry reactions ? strong nuclear force ? all of that ?


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force of attraction between the molecules I guess. Everything else is dependent on it.
 
What makes materials strong is any impediment to what makes them fail. Seriously. In metals, for example, failure often occurs by crystal planes slipping past each other via dislocation motion. Anything that impedes dislocation motion (like precipitate obstacles or other dislocations) will strengthen the metal. Brittle materials like ceramics, in contrast, often fail by crack propagation, which calls for different strengthening mechanisms.

A related question is what makes materials stiff (strength is resistance to permanent deformation, stiffness is resistance to elastic, or recoverable, deformation). Stiffness is strongly coupled to the interatomic bond strength. So is density and melting temperature, and the element-to-element trend for these three material properties is similar.
 
garfield1729 said:
what is it that makes materials strong ?

density ? melted ? chemistry reactions ? strong nuclear force ? all of that ?
Basically, the atomic bonds. A material is a strong as the weakest bond.

Density is a function of atomic mass, most of which resides in the nucleus, and the atomic (ionic) radii or interatomic distance. One can find low density but very strong materials.

Strength decreases with temperature.


See this thread - https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=68286

and http://www.isotruss.org/hsratio.htm
 
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Basically, the atomic bonds. A material is a strong as the weakest bond.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with this. There are many examples of materials becoming stronger through the deliberate introduction of weak or unsatisfied bonds. One example is in metals, where additional dislocations and grain boundaries (1-D and 2-D defects, respectively, consisting of distorted and broken bonds) strengthen the material. Another example is ceramics, where voids (no bonds at all!) are used to interrupt crack propagation and again strengthen the material.

The statement isn't even true in a general sense: covalent and ionic bonds are generally stronger than metallic bonds, but metals are generally stronger than covalent and ionic crystals in tension!
 
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Basically, the atomic bonds. A material is a strong as the weakest bond.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with this. There are many examples of materials becoming stronger through the deliberate introduction of weak or unsatisfied bonds. One example is in metals, where additional dislocations and grain boundaries (1-D and 2-D defects, respectively, consisting of distorted and broken bonds) strengthen the material. Another example is ceramics, where voids (no bonds at all!) are used to interrupt crack propagation and again strengthen the material.

The statement isn't even true in a general sense: covalent and ionic bonds are generally stronger than metallic bonds, but metals are generally stronger than covalent and ionic crystals in tension!

I'll agree with your disagreement. Material strength is determined at a higher level than atomic bond strength. There are some excellent books by J. E. Gordon "Structures" and "The New Science of Strong Materials" that go into this in a lightly mathematical, very conversational way. He recounts an episode where a new graduate makes what he claims is a very strong material, because the bonds comprising it were stronger. Actual testing shows it had "... the strength of wet cheese."
 

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