How Can Maxwell Relations Be Applied to This Thermodynamics Problem?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Maxwell relations in a thermodynamics problem involving temperature, volume, and pressure. Participants are exploring how to manipulate these relationships to derive expressions for temperature as a function of other state variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to express temperature as a function of volume and pressure, using derivatives and Maxwell relations. Questions are raised about the correctness of their manipulations and the relationships between the coefficients involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding checking the signs of terms and expressing logarithmic relationships in terms of other variables. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants continue to explore different interpretations and approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are questioning the assumptions made in their derivations. There is mention of specific variables like KT and α, which may be relevant to the problem but are not fully defined in the discussion.

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2. The attempt at a solution
I've tried using the relation Cp = T(dS/dT), isolating "T" for T = Cv2(dT/dS) and using the maxwell relations to reduce the derivatives, reaching, T = Cv2/D (dV/dS), but i don't think this is the right way to do solve this problem, i couldn't find a similar example on the chapter either.
 
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##T## is a state variable that can be thought of as a function of ##v## and ##P##: ##\;T(v,P)##.

Consider ##dT## which will be something times ##dv## plus something times ##dP##. Can you express the coefficients of ##dv## and ##dP## in terms of ##\alpha## and ##\kappa_T##?
 
Ok, so I've tried looking at dT as a function of both P and v and reached dT = (∂T/∂P)v dP + (∂T/∂v)P dv
And after reducing the derivatives, dT = KT/α dP + 1/vα dv , and using the problem's KT and α.
dT = 1/D dv + Ev2/D dP
dT = 1/D dv + EPava2/(PbD) dP
Tb = Ta + (vb - va)/D + EPava2 Ln(Pb/Pa)/D

which is close but still different from the answer given on the question and i can't find a reason why, what did i miss?
 
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Lucas Mayr said:
Ok, so I've tried looking at dT as a function of both P and v and reached dT = (∂T/∂P)v dP + (∂T/∂v)P dv
And after reducing the derivatives, dT = KT/α dP + 1/vα dv ,...
Check the sign of the first term on the right. Otherwise, that looks good.

Tb = Ta + (vb - va)/D + EPava2 Ln(Pb/Pa)/D
Can you express ##\ln(P_b/P_a)## in terms of ##v_a## and ##v_b##?
 
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