How Can Spherical Harmonics Represent Functions with Higher Angular Dependence?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around expressing a function ##\psi(\theta,\phi)## in terms of spherical harmonics ##Y_{lm}##, specifically focusing on the angular dependence introduced by the term ##\sin{3\phi}##. The context is rooted in quantum mechanics and angular momentum representation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to represent ##\sin{3\phi}## in terms of spherical harmonics, questioning the relevance of the ##\theta## dependence and discussing the form of the function in relation to the spherical harmonics' properties.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the representation of ##\sin{3\phi}## using exponential forms and have suggested evaluating coefficients through orthogonality. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the function in the desired format without reaching a consensus on the exact approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding spherical harmonics that directly correspond to terms like ##\sin{m\phi}## or ##e^{\pm3i\phi}##, indicating potential gaps in available resources or definitions.

Safinaz
Messages
255
Reaction score
8


1. Homework Statement
upload_2015-9-13_12-23-43.png

Homework Equations



Here we have to express ##\psi(\theta,\phi)## in terms of spherical harmonics ##Y_{lm}## to find the angular momentum.

If ##\psi(\theta,\phi) = i \sqrt{\frac{3}{4\pi}} \sin{\theta} \sin{\phi} ##, it can be written as:
$$ \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}} (Y_{1,1}- Y_{1,-1})$$
since :
## Y_{1,\pm1} = \mp \sqrt{\frac{3}{8\pi}} \sin{\theta} e^{\pm i \phi}##,

But now as ##\psi(\theta,\phi)## has ##\sin{3 \phi}## instead of ##\sin{ \phi}##, how will it be represented ?S.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
First of all, since L_z = -i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}, the \theta-dependence is irrelevant. So the real question is: how do you write sin 3\phi as a sum of terms of the form e^{i m \phi}?
 
## \sin{3\phi} = \frac{e^{3i\phi } - e^{-3i\phi } }{2i} ## , but alternatively I want to express ## \sin{3\phi} ## in terms of ## \sin{\phi} ## (I guess ), in order to use ##Y_{1,\pm 1}##. Also I tried to find any ##Y_{lm}## defined by ## \sin{m\phi} ## or ## e^{\pm3i\phi } ## but I didn't find, look for example at Table : 5.2 " [Nouredine_Zettili]_Quantum_Mechanics_Concepts ". So any ideas ..
 
Safinaz said:
## \sin{3\phi} = \frac{e^{3i\phi } - e^{-3i\phi } }{2i} ## , but alternatively I want to express ## \sin{3\phi} ## in terms of ## \sin{\phi} ## (I guess ), in order to use ##Y_{1,\pm 1}##. Also I tried to find any ##Y_{lm}## defined by ## \sin{m\phi} ## or ## e^{\pm3i\phi } ## but I didn't find, look for example at Table : 5.2 " [Nouredine_Zettili]_Quantum_Mechanics_Concepts ". So any ideas ..

Why do you want to write it in terms of Y_{1, \pm 1}? In general, you write a function f(\theta, \phi) in the form:

f(\theta, \phi) = \sum_{m l}C_{lm} Y_{lm} (\theta, \phi)

Since each Y_{lm} \propto e^{im\phi}, there are only two terms involved in the sum over m: m=\pm 3. So your case boils down to:

sin(\theta) sin(3 \phi) = \sum_l (C_{l, +3} Y_{l, +3} + C_{l, -3} Y_{l, -3})

You don't actually need to solve for the coefficients C_{l, \pm 3}
 
To elaborate on what steven said, you could find the coefficients ##C_{lm}## by using the orthogonality of the spherical harmonics:
$$C_{lm} = \int Y^*_{lm}(\theta,\phi) \psi(\theta,\phi)\,d\Omega.$$ Try evaluating the phi integral, and you'll see why ##m=\pm 3## and why the ##\theta## dependence doesn't really matter in this problem.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K