How can substitution be used to solve first-order equations?

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The discussion revolves around the use of substitution to solve first-order differential equations, specifically the equation y' = f(at + by + c). Participants explore how to transform this equation into a separable form and apply the method to find the general solution of y' = (y+t)^2.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the substitution x = at + by + c and its implications for transforming the original equation into a separable form. There are attempts to differentiate x with respect to t and express y' in terms of x'. Questions arise about the next steps after establishing the relationship between x' and y'. Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the second part of the problem.

Discussion Status

There is a mix of understanding and confusion among participants. Some have successfully shown the substitution leading to a separable equation, while others are still grappling with the application of the method to find the general solution. Guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation and substitution process, but not all participants have reached clarity on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express feelings of being slow in their understanding, indicating a potential challenge in grasping the concepts of separable ordinary differential equations. There is also mention of participants just beginning to learn about these types of equations.

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Homework Statement



Consider the equation y' = f(at + by + c)
where a, b, and c are constants. Show that the substitution x = at + by + c
changes the equation to the separable equation x' = a + bf(x).
Use this method to find the general solution of the equation y' = (y+t)^2

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The Attempt at a Solution



not sure where to begin :/
 
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strawburry said:

The Attempt at a Solution



not sure where to begin :/


so x = at + by + c

x'=?
 
mm so plug in the first equation into where by is?
 
Differentiate x with respect to t and solve for y' in terms of x'. Then put that expression for y' into your original equation. Now everything is in terms of x.
 
thanks! i got how to do the first part, showing the substitution to show separable equation..

How do i continue on to second part of the question?? SOrryy I am kinda slow :(
 
Slow is ok, but your aren't helping yet. As rock.freak667 already asked, what is x'?
 
x' = a + by' ??
 
strawburry said:
x' = a + by' ??

Sure. Now solve that for y' and put it back into your original equation to eliminate y.
 
y' = ( x' - a ) / b

then f(x) = (x'-a)/b

then x' = a + bf(x)
 
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Well, that's that then, right?
 
  • #11
still not understanding
Use this method to find the general solution of the equation y' = (y+t)^2
 
  • #12
strawburry said:
still not understanding
Use this method to find the general solution of the equation y' = (y+t)^2

Try it. Substitute x=y+t. Do the same thing you just did to get an equation for x. What is it?
 
  • #13
x = y + t
x' = y' +1

y= x^2...x'-1= x^2
 
  • #14
strawburry said:
x = y + t
x' = y' +1

y= x^2...


x'-1= x^2

Nice. Ok, so dx/dt=(1+x^2). That's a separable ode.
 
  • #15
integral ( -x^2 dx) = integral (1)

- 1/3 (x^3) = t

x = cubed root (-3t) ?
 
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strawburry said:
integral ( -x^2 dx) = integral (1)

- 1/3 (x^3) = t

x = cubed root (-3t) ?

Oh, come on, that's just silly. dx/(1+x^2)=dt. Integrate both sides. I was sort of hoping you knew separable ODE's. Heard of them?
 
  • #17
haha just started learning them :P
 
  • #18
strawburry said:
haha just started learning them :P

Now's the time to use them.
 
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tytyty
 

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