How can the invariance of the wave equation be shown without using tensors?

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the invariance of the wave equation, specifically in the context of classical dynamics and relativistic transformations. The original poster seeks to explore this without using tensors, focusing on the mathematical properties of the wave equation given in a four-dimensional context.

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  • The original poster attempts to express the wave equation as a four-vector and apply Lorentz transformations, but encounters difficulties in formulating the equation in that framework. They consider the implications of invariance and question their understanding of the components involved.
  • Some participants question the definition of invariance and discuss the implications of transformations on the components of the equation.
  • Others suggest simplifying the problem by reducing it to one dimension and applying the Lorentz transformation directly to the wave equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of invariance and the mathematical steps required to demonstrate it. Some guidance has been offered regarding the approach to take, particularly in simplifying the problem to a one-dimensional case.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the application of Lorentz transformations and the algebra involved, as well as the original poster's reference to a textbook problem that may influence their expectations of the solution.

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The problem is, rather briefly:
Show that the wave equation is INVARIANT
The equation is given as:

[the Laplacian of phi] - 1/(c^2)*[dee^2(phi)/dee(t^2)]

dee being the partial derivative.. phi is a scalar of (x, y, z, t)


Now, i want, and think i should be able, to solve this problem without resorting to tensors.

What I've tried to do is this:
Given a 4-vector, X, X.X = X'.X' would imply that whatever makes up that 4-vector is invariant. So, i have to write the above equation as a 4-vector, apply the Lorentz transformation to get X' and then check to see if X.X = X'.X' ?
i can't actually write that equation as a 4-vector!
Given that the 4-velocity involves manipulating r = (x, y, z, ict) to get u = gamma(u, ic) - i am thinking, what do i do to x, y and z and to r to get the equation ? - this line of thinking seems to have me stumped.
..perhaps using the chain rule to get the laplacian in terms of dee x / dee t(proper time) as it relates to velocity ...
Perhaps i need to look at tensors, and relativity of electrodynamics ? But i am assuming that I'm over complicating things given the detail of the book i got this problem from (it's actually Marion & Thornton: Classical Dynamics chapter 14 problem 1)

I hope I've given enough to warrant a reply, as, even though i probably wouldn't be asked this on the examination (it's more likely to be applications in relativistic kinematics), I'm pretty aggrivated as to why i can't seem to even get close to an answer given the study of the relevant chapter...
 
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What does it mean for an equation to be invariant?
 
Well, i think it means that under a transformation (Lorentz invariance concerns rotations of x1-x4, so in this case, under a rotation) the equation, relative to its new axis, remains unchanged. So measuring the Xn components yields the same answer in all inertial frames...

That's where i was going with that equation at least, I'm just not able to work out 'its components'...
 
not sure that makes sense in saying 'measure the Xn components'... the equation will be the same with x replaced with x' and y, y' z, z' t, t'
 
...help :(
 
Well, the first thing I would do is to reduce it to the 1D wave equation, to save time, since we can take the lorentz transformation to be only in the x direction. Now, consider the lorentz transformation \bar{x}=\gamma(x-vt) \hspace{2cm} \bar{t}=\gamma\left(t-\frac{vx}{c^2}\right).

Now, the equation is \frac{\partial^2\phi}{\partial x^2}-\frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial^2\phi}{\partial t^2}=0

You want to show that this is invariant under the above transformation, so you need to calculate \frac{\partial \bar{\phi}}{\partial t} (and the other derivatives) in terms of the barred coordinates, using the chain rule, and substitute into the equation to show that is invariant.

I should also point out that there is not really any physics needed to do this-- its simply an exercise on evaluating partial derivatives with respect to some transformed coordinates.
 
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Thanks, i did look roughly along those lines once i found a thread showing why the equation ISN'T invariant under galilean transformations, but found the algebra a bit messy so i spose now i know where I'm going - bob's my uncle.. thanks
 

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