How can the Universe be infinite and yet have a finite age?

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The discussion centers on the paradox of an infinite universe with a finite age, exploring concepts from general relativity (GR) and cosmology. Participants highlight that while the observable universe has a finite size and age, the local geometry appears flat, suggesting a spatially infinite universe according to the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (FRW) model. The conversation delves into the implications of infinities in physics, particularly regarding singularities and infinite densities, which are seen as problematic within current theoretical frameworks. Ultimately, the dialogue emphasizes the need for new physics to address these infinities rather than accepting them as inherent truths.

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  • #61
timmdeeg said:
Is that, "topology ##S^n## plus constant curvature", restricted to a FRW universe or generally to a universe which obeys the cosmological principle?

It's restricted to a spacetime that has spatial topology ##S^n## and constant spatial curvature. :wink: Such spacetimes are a subset of FRW spacetimes or spacetimes that obey the cosmological principle (since there are other topologies besides ##S^n## that allow constant spatial curvature).
 
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  • #62
Ibix said:
Point of pedantry - an octopus at least has a digestive tract, so is topologically a torus (or possibly something more complex if it has something like gills as well - I'm no marine biologist) since it effectively has a hole right through it. A stuffed toy octopus, though, lacking such biological messiness, would be topologically a sphere.
Ah, yes, you're right. I didn't realize it had a full digestive tract. I misremembered.
 
  • #63
If the universe does indeed bounce in between cycles of beginning and ending, then it can be considered infinite, with a finite "time" in between each cycle. Conceptually, this makes sense, more so than one universe having a single beginning and end, and nothing else existing after that one cycle. With so many possible combinations with particles at each beginning, each new cycle can be different than prior.
 

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