B How can the Universe be infinite and yet have a finite age?

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The discussion revolves around the paradox of the universe being infinite while having a finite age. Participants explore the implications of infinity in physics, particularly in relation to general relativity (GR) and the singularities it predicts. They highlight that while the observable universe is finite, its true extent remains uncertain, and the local geometry appears flat, suggesting a spatially infinite universe. The conversation also touches on the mathematical treatment of infinity, arguing that infinite density and singularities indicate issues with current models, while infinite extent may not be problematic. Ultimately, the dialogue emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of how mathematical concepts of infinity relate to physical realities.
  • #61
timmdeeg said:
Is that, "topology ##S^n## plus constant curvature", restricted to a FRW universe or generally to a universe which obeys the cosmological principle?

It's restricted to a spacetime that has spatial topology ##S^n## and constant spatial curvature. :wink: Such spacetimes are a subset of FRW spacetimes or spacetimes that obey the cosmological principle (since there are other topologies besides ##S^n## that allow constant spatial curvature).
 
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  • #62
Ibix said:
Point of pedantry - an octopus at least has a digestive tract, so is topologically a torus (or possibly something more complex if it has something like gills as well - I'm no marine biologist) since it effectively has a hole right through it. A stuffed toy octopus, though, lacking such biological messiness, would be topologically a sphere.
Ah, yes, you're right. I didn't realize it had a full digestive tract. I misremembered.
 
  • #63
If the universe does indeed bounce in between cycles of beginning and ending, then it can be considered infinite, with a finite "time" in between each cycle. Conceptually, this makes sense, more so than one universe having a single beginning and end, and nothing else existing after that one cycle. With so many possible combinations with particles at each beginning, each new cycle can be different than prior.
 

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