How Can Vector Algebra Prove Diagonal Relationships in Parallelograms?

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The discussion revolves around using vector algebra to demonstrate relationships involving the diagonals of a parallelogram, specifically focusing on the point where the diagonals intersect and the relationships between the segments formed by the diagonals and the sides of the parallelogram.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationships between vectors representing the sides and diagonals of the parallelogram, questioning the validity of initial assumptions and the structure of their reasoning. There is also a discussion on the nature of proof and the importance of reversible statements in mathematical arguments.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the proof being attempted. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the proof and the need for clarity in reasoning, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the initial attempts.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and relationships of vector quantities in the context of a geometric figure, and there is mention of the principle of planar independence, which remains unexplored in detail.

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Homework Statement


P is the point where the diagonals of the parallelogram abcd intersect one another
let \alpha = AB and \beta = AD and let s and t be scalars such that AP = sAC and BP = tBD

use vector algebra to show that
s(\alpha + \beta) = AP = \alpha + t(\beta - \alpha)

The Attempt at a Solution


ok so
s(AB + AD) = AP = AB + t(AD - AB)
s(AC) = AP = AB + t(BD) (s(AC) and AP have the same direction so s(AC) = AP)
AP = AB + t(BD)
AP = AB + BP
AP = AP

is that right?and could someone explain to me the principle of planar independence
 
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lolimcool said:

Homework Statement


P is the point where the diagonals of the parallelogram abcd intersect one another
let \alpha = AB and \beta = AD and let s and t be scalars such that AP = sAC and BP = tBD

use vector algebra to show that
s(\alpha + \beta) = AP = \alpha + t(\beta - \alpha)





The Attempt at a Solution


ok so
s(AB + AD) = AP = AB + t(AD - AB)
The line above is essentially what you are trying to show, so you shouldn't start off by assuming that it is true.

First, you want to show that s(\alpha~+~\beta) = AP, then show that s(\alpha~+~\beta) = \alpha~+t(\beta~-\alpha). (Or you can show that AP = \alpha~+t(\beta~-\alpha).)

For the first part, you have
s(\alpha~+~\beta) = s(AB + AD) = s(AC). From the given information, what is that last expression equal to?
lolimcool said:
s(AC) = AP = AB + t(BD) (s(AC) and AP have the same direction so s(AC) = AP)
AP = AB + t(BD)
AP = AB + BP
AP = AP

is that right?
Generally speaking, you don't want to end with a statement that is obviously true; i.e., that some quantity equals itself.
lolimcool said:
and could someone explain to me the principle of planar independence
 
Actually, what you have written is a valid "synthetic proof" where you start with what you want to show, then work down to an obviously true statement. The critical part is that each statement be reversible. That way a "standard proof" would start at the bottom and work upward.

That is, as "standard" proof would be:
AP= AP
AP= AB+ BP
AP = AB + t(BD)
AP = s(AC) = AB + t(BD)
AP = s(AB + AD) = AB + t(AD - AB)

By the way, you don't want to say "s(AC) and AP have the same direction so s(AC) = AP". It sounds like you are saying "if two vectors have the same direction then they are equal" which, of course, is not true. You are given that s(AC)= AP.
 
Mark44 said:
Generally speaking, you don't want to end with a statement that is obviously true; i.e., that some quantity equals itself.

HallsofIvy said:
Actually, what you have written is a valid "synthetic proof" where you start with what you want to show, then work down to an obviously true statement. The critical part is that each statement be reversible.
And this is why I qualified what I said. I didn't want to go into details about the steps being reversible.
 

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