How can we detect and identify elementary particles?

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The discussion revolves around the detection and identification of elementary particles, exploring historical methods, experimental techniques, and the theoretical underpinnings of particle physics. Participants address various approaches to particle detection, including the use of cloud and bubble chambers, as well as the implications of high-energy collisions in particle accelerators.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how elementary particles are detected and the analogy of "shining light" on them.
  • Historical references are made to early discoveries in radiation and particle physics, including contributions from Roentgen, Becquerel, Curie, Rutherford, and Thomson.
  • Participants mention the use of cloud chambers and bubble chambers as methods for visualizing particle tracks, with suggestions that these can be constructed with relatively simple materials.
  • There is a discussion about detecting cosmic rays and secondary particles, such as muons, without the need for radioactive materials.
  • One participant outlines the process of searching for the Higgs boson at the LHC, detailing how proton collisions can lead to the creation of Higgs bosons and their subsequent decay products.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the historical context and various methods of detecting particles, but there is no consensus on the specifics of how to "shine light" on elementary particles or the best techniques for detection. Multiple competing views on detection methods and their effectiveness remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the types of particles being detected and the conditions under which detection methods are applicable. The complexity of particle interactions and the statistical nature of detection results are acknowledged but not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of particle physics, those studying the history of scientific discoveries in radiation, and individuals curious about experimental techniques in detecting elementary particles.

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How do we know they are there? I am clear about Atomic Theory through the ages, but what about the elementary particles? And, how do we "shine light" on particles, as I know this as a way of fiding them (and am being confused about it)?
 
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Well discovery of radiation goes back to Roentgen (X-rays, 1895) and Henri Becquerel, Marie and Pierre Curie (discovered radioactivity, 1896) from uranium salts and other radioactive elements. Rutherford discovered alpha and beta 'rays' from uranium in 1897. J. J. Thomson determined q/m for 'cathode rays'.

Then Rutherford did work with alpha particles, which showed the mass of the atom was concentrated.

See this history of Cosmic Rays - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray
particularly - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray#History_of_cosmic_rays

In 1928, Dmitri Skobeltsyn obtained the first cloud-chamber photographs of cosmic rays. These indicated high energy particles, many of which were charged.

In 1931, Robert Van De Graff constructed the first high-voltage electrostatic generator for nuclear research, and the next year, 1932, Ernest Lawrence built the first cyclotron.

Chadwick discovered the neutron in 1932.

Then it was a matter of piecing together the puzzle and building bigger, higher energy machines.

The rest is history. :biggrin:
 
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How do we know they are there? I am clear about Atomic Theory through the ages, but what about the elementary particles? And, how do we "shine light" on particles, as I know this as a way of fiding them (and am being confused about it)?


Bubble and cloud chambers and more advanced versions. Cloud chamber is pretty easy to do yourself if you havy any uranium (United Nuclear sells small quantities) and some dry ice + alcohol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_chamber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_chamber
 

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From the CERN website:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/Content/Chapters/AboutCERN/HowStudyPrtcles/HowStudyPrtcles-en.html
 
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In summary, there are various ways to look for them, and they depend on the type of particle we talk about.

One example: when LHC turns on (in a year or so), the search for the Higgs boson will be based on trying to reconstruct it from its possible decay products. One smashes a proton vs another proton; out of the energy of the collision, some times (on in 10^12 or less) a Higgs boson is created, which will almost immediately decay (some times) into two Z bosons, which decay into two muons each.

You then look for events that have four muons, see if their combined 4-momenta add up to the known Z mass, then plot the combined mass of all 4 muons and see if there is a peak over the combinatoric background and over the known processes that can produce four muons from a single vertex.
 

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