How can we tell if a given tensor is a curvature tensor?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which a given 4th rank tensor can be identified as a curvature tensor of a manifold. Participants explore the necessary symmetries, the implications of the Bianchi identities, and the relationship between curvature tensors and metrics. The conversation also touches on gauge theory perspectives and the challenges of reconstructing metrics from curvature tensors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Dave questions whether any arbitrary tensor R_{ijkl} with the necessary symmetries can correspond to a curvature tensor and suggests that satisfying the Bianchi identities is a necessary condition.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that the Riemann tensor can be viewed as a gl(N,R) Lie-algebra valued 2-form, drawing parallels to Yang-Mills theories and suggesting that a connection can be reconstructed from the field strength.
  • Dave expresses uncertainty about the non-Abelian case in gauge theory, specifically regarding how to solve the equation R=dA + A^A for the connection A and what conditions on R would guarantee a solution.
  • A later reply mentions a gauge condition x^\mu A_\mu = 0, implying that the equation can apply to both Abelian and non-Abelian cases.
  • Dave reflects on the nature of admissible curvature tensors, questioning whether the set of such tensors forms a vector space and whether the sum of two curvature tensors corresponds to a valid curvature tensor.
  • He contrasts this situation with electromagnetism, noting that the sum of two electromagnetic fields satisfies Maxwell's equations, suggesting that gravitational analysis may not be as straightforward.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gauge theory for curvature tensors and whether the set of admissible curvature tensors forms a vector space. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions necessary for a tensor to be a curvature tensor and the relationship between different curvature tensors.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationships between curvature tensors and metrics, as well as the conditions under which solutions exist for the equations discussed. The discussion also highlights the complexity of non-Abelian gauge theories compared to electromagnetism.

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Under what circumstances do we know whether a given tensor of 4th rank could be the curvature tensor of a manifold? For instance, if I specify some arbitrary functions R_{ijkl} (with the necessary symmetries under interchange i<->j, k<->l, and ij<->kl), is it necessarily the case that there is a manifold for which R_{ijkl} is the curvature? I guess that satisfying the Bianchi identities is a necessary precondition.

And if so, is there any way to construct the metric explicitly?

Thanks,

Dave
 
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I'm in a hurry so I'll give you a very dirty answer to decode.
The Riemann tensor is a gl(N,R) Lie-algebra valued 2-form, just like the field strength in Yang Mills theories (there, the algebra is su(N)). In the latter case, one may impose the recover the gauge connection from the field strength in a particular gauge, namely the Fock-Schwinger gauge (the calculation is done here: http://www.physics.thetangentbundle.net/wiki/Quantum_field_theory/gauge_theory/gauge_fixing )

Now, if you have some experience dealing with gravity as a gauge theory (see e.g. Nash & Sen, or Nakahara), then you have a connection from which you have enough data to reconstruct almost anything else.
 
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Hi lbrits,

Thanks for the pointer to differential forms, it certainly seems to offer a new angle to the question. However, it seems to me that the link you provided about Fock-Schwinger gauge assumes the gauge group is Abelian, since it constructs a potential A which satisfies F=dA. For Yang-Mills or the gauge formulation of gravity, the field strength/curvature is related to the connection by R = dA + A^A.

In the non-abelian case, the problem is how to solve the equation R=dA + A^A for A, which I don't know how to do. I'm not even sure what condition to put on R to guarantee that a solution exists. (dR=0 is not generally true. Contrary to my earlier post, the Bianchi identities can't even be applied since we need A to do this.)

Cheers,

Dave
 
The trick is that x^\mu A_\mu = 0, which is the actual gauge condition. Thus the equation presented is both Abelian and non-Abelian.

You had me worried there for a second =)
 
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Brilliant! Thanks! Following your lead, I've also located a few papers which have set me moving again. For anyone following the thread, [1] appears to be the paper which first demonstrated this solution, and it's very understand-able. [2] is where I found [1], although I didn't understand much of it.

Dave

[1] Cronstrom, Phys Lett B90 (1980) 267
[2] Kummer & Weiser, Z. Phys C31 (1986) 105
 
Strange, the Fock-Schwinger gauge is ancient... it is, after all, named after Fock and Schwinger =)
 
lbrits said:
Strange, the Fock-Schwinger gauge is ancient... it is, after all, named after Fock and Schwinger =)

Perhaps you're right there, I'm not sure. Well, it's a reference, if not the original reference.

It occurred to me that I'm not even sure if the set of admissible curvatures forms a vector space. By this I mean that if R and R' are curvature tensors corresponding to metrics g and g' respectively, it's not clear to me that R+R' is also a curvature tensor, and if so, how its metric relates to g and g'. Perhaps its possible to prove or disprove this using the Fock-Schwinger gauge - I'll see whether I can get anywhere with it.

This is quite a contrast to electromagnetism, because in that context the sum of two EM fields also satisfies Maxwell's equations, and the set of EM field configurations is a vector space (a Hilbert space). I was interested to see whether a similar analysis can be done for gravitation; but this one may not go through quite as cleanly as I hoped!



Dave
 

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