How Can We Validate Equating Terms in Infinite Summations?

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The discussion centers around the validity of equating terms in infinite summations, particularly in the context of functions represented by series and generating functions. Participants explore the conditions under which individual terms of two equal sums can be considered equal, using examples from mathematical series and integrals involving Legendre polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of equating terms in the equation 2 \sum F_{n}(x) = \sum G_{n}(x), suggesting that individual terms may not be equal despite the sums being equal.
  • Another participant argues that if the series consists of independent functions, then equating corresponding terms is valid, citing the example of power series.
  • A participant provides a specific example involving Legendre polynomials and expresses uncertainty about the validity of equating terms in their derived equations.
  • There is a discussion about the independence of functions, with one participant questioning whether operations on independent functions maintain their independence.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for equating terms in infinite summations. While some agree that independence of functions allows for term-wise equality, others remain uncertain about the implications of operations on these functions.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding the nature of the functions involved and the conditions under which the sums are defined. There is mention of specific limits for sums and integrals, but these details remain unresolved in terms of their implications for equating terms.

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Today my physics professor briefly skipped over this during a derivation:

We started with
[itex]2 \sum F_{n}(x) = \sum G_{n}(x)[/itex] , summed from n=0 to [itex]\infty[/itex]

which she then concluded
[itex]2F_{n}(x) = G_{n}(x)[/itex]

where F and G are functions of x, and different functions for different values of n. (she was using a generating function)

What proves this is true?

I think this is just equating terms of the sums for values of n, but how do we know this is valid? I provide the counter example:
[itex]\sum x = \sum x^{2}[/itex] for x=0 to [itex]\infty[/itex], which is true
however, equating individual terms is false: x[itex]\neq x^{2}[/itex]

Is there some criteria for equating terms?

thanks
austin
 
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I have absolutely no idea what you mean by
[tex]\sum x= \sum x^2[/tex]
If x is an integer index, from 0 to infinity, neither of those sums exists so it makes no sense to say they are equal.

But you are right that, in general, two sums being equal does not mean individual terms are equal- an easy counter-example: 1+ 2+ 1= 3+ 1+ 0.

However, if you series is a series of "independent functions", then it is true.

For example, it is true that if two power series are equal
[tex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^n= \sum_{n=0}b_n x^n[/tex]
then "corresponding terms" are equal: [itex]a_n= b_n[/itex].
 
Ok I was trying to be lazy but I'll just write out what I've got in my notes.

Sums are from L=0 to [itex]\infty[/itex] and Integral limits are x = -1 to 1.

[itex]2 \sum \frac{h^{2L}}{2L+1} = \sum(h^{2L}\int P_{L}^{2}(x)dx)[/itex]

becomes

[itex]\frac{2}{2L+1} = \int P_{L}^{2}(x)dx[/itex]

Why is equating terms valid here? I don't see a reason to just assume that it is ok, and she didn't provide any reason for it. So how do I know if this is true?






If needed, here's more info. [itex]P_{L}(x)[/itex] are the legendre polynomials. She used a generating function [itex]\Phi(x,h)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-2xh+h^{2}}}[/itex]. We began with the relation [itex]\int\Phi^{2}(x,h)dx = \int (\sum h^{L}P_{L}(x))^{2}dx[/itex] ( where sum is from L=0 to [itex]\infty[/itex] and integral limits are x=-1 to 1)
Integrating [itex]\Phi^{2}(x,h)[/itex] and doing a series expansion of natural log gives the LHS of the equation at the beginning of my post.
 
And the Legendre Polynomials are "independent functions" as I said.
 
So operating on a set of lin. indep. functions gives another set of lin. indep. functions? I know the the legendre polynomials are indep., but I don't know that integrating and squaring them means they will still be indep.
 

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