How Can You Approach Steve Without Being Doppler-Shifted?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a puzzle involving relativistic effects, specifically the Doppler shift, in the context of approaching a friend named Steve in space. Participants explore the implications of speed and perception in an inertial frame, focusing on how to minimize Doppler effects while reaching Steve.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a puzzle about approaching Steve without being Doppler-shifted, suggesting that the solution is interesting.
  • Another participant humorously suggests painting the spaceship black as a potential solution.
  • A later reply acknowledges the lateral thinking but indicates it does not align with the intended answer.
  • One participant asserts that the fastest approach speed is the speed of light (c), arguing that as one approaches c, the angle for a net shift of zero aligns towards Steve.
  • There is a correction from a participant who admits to a mistake regarding the puzzle's complexity, stating that the answer is simply to approach as close to c as possible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the puzzle and the nature of the solution, with some suggesting alternative approaches and others affirming the speed of light as the optimal solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective strategy to approach Steve without being Doppler-shifted.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the implications of relativistic effects or the specific conditions under which the Doppler shift might be minimized, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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A puzzle relating to motion of a body when restrictions are placed on the Doppler shift of the body as viewed by an observer
Hello

I have not posted here for a while, but just wanted to post this puzzle I devised. Was posted on Reddit, but no takers. I think the solution is interesting.

The Puzzle

You are flying around in space and you see your friend Steve chilling in an inertial frame in his own spaceship and you wish to go over to his spaceship to say hello. However if Steve sees you to be even slightly Doppler-shifted as you approach him he will not recognise you and he will accelerate off such that you can never catch him. Steve is also very impatient so you must minimize the time taken in his frame to reach him.

What speed (in Steve's frame) should your spaceship travel in to reach Steve?

There is no solution for 1 dimension of space, but you can just look at 2 dimensions of space as the 3D solution is the same.

The solution does not involve anything silly or designed to trick like travelling at the speed of light, undefined Doppler shift or Steve leaving his inertial frame.
 
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You could paint your spaceship black.
 
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I like the lateral thinking but not the answer I was thinking of!

Your path must be a logarithmic spiral in which you travel at constant speed in Steve's frame (or another space curve that will give the same answer). The time taken is proportional to your radial distance from Steve, and that proportion can be expressed as a function of the speed, differentiating the answer is c*sqrt(3/4)
 
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I like the lateral thinking but not the answer I was thinking of!

Your path must be a logarithmic spiral in which you travel at constant speed in Steve's frame (or another space curve that will give the same answer). The time taken is proportional to your radial distance from Steve, and that proportion can be expressed as a function of the speed, differentiating the answer is c*sqrt(3/4)

Oops in fact I've made a mistake and the puzzle isn't quite as interesting. the answer is just as close to c as possible.
 
Fastest approach speed is c. Just as it was on reddit.

Edit: In fact, this is very intuitive. As you get closer to the speed of light in Steve’s frame, the angle for a net shift of zero tends to align towards the direction of Steve. So it is quite natural that the max approach speed is c.
 
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