How Can You Design an Adiabatic and Reversible Thermodynamic System?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a thermodynamic system that transitions adiabatically and reversibly between two states, A and B, and then returns to state A irreversibly while absorbing heat. The subject area includes thermodynamics, particularly focusing on adiabatic processes and the behavior of ideal gases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts to create PV diagrams and explore the implications of different process types, such as isobaric and isochoric steps. Questions arise regarding the directionality of processes and the conditions under which heat is exchanged.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the feasibility of the proposed system design. Some guidance is offered regarding the nature of adiabatic processes and the potential for returning to the initial state without heat loss, although no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the constraints of the problem, including the requirement for the system to not release heat during the adiabatic process and the implications of returning to the starting state under these conditions.

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Homework Statement


Design an explicit system which does the following: It goes adiabatically and reversibly from state A to B. Then it returns from state B to state A probably irreversibly and receiving some heat from the outside world on the way. It can't give out heat.

Homework Equations


[itex]PV^{\gamma}=c[/itex] for an adiabatic process
[itex]PV=c[/itex] for an isothermal process

The Attempt at a Solution


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I attempted to draw various 3 step PV diagrams using isobaric and isochoric steps but they all gave out heat. The only way I can think of doing this is if the adiabatic process is the same as an isothermal process i.e
[itex]PV^{\gamma}=PV[/itex]
[itex]\gamma=1[/itex]
[itex]C_p=C_v[/itex]

But this can't be true for an ideal gas so I have no idea.
 
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decerto said:
I attempted to draw various 3 step PV diagrams using isobaric and isochoric steps but they all gave out heat.
Doesn't that depend on the direction of the process?
 
DrClaude said:
Doesn't that depend on the direction of the process?

Yes but amn't I forced into a direction that gives out heat after an adiabatic process then a process which takes in heat if I want to get back to the start?
 
decerto said:
Yes but amn't I forced into a direction that gives out heat after an adiabatic process then a process which takes in heat if I want to get back to the start?
I haven't worked out the details, but if your adiabatic process is an expansion, can't you go back to state A without any heat leaving the system?
 

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