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The discussion revolves around the factorization of fourth-degree polynomials, specifically ##a^4 + b^4## and ##a^4 - b^4##, as well as cubic polynomials like ##a^3 - b^3## and ##a^3 + b^3##. Participants explore various methods and techniques for factorization, including polynomial long division and specific algebraic identities.

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  • Some participants express difficulty in factoring ##a^4 + b^4## and ##a^4 - b^4##, noting that factoring ##a^4 + b^4## is particularly tricky.
  • It is mentioned that ##a^4 - b^4## can be factored using the difference of squares, and some participants suggest substituting variables to simplify the process.
  • One participant claims that ##a^4 + b^4## is not factorable with real coefficients, while another counters that it can be factored into two quadratic expressions involving square roots.
  • Participants discuss the factorization of cubic polynomials, with some outlining a method to derive the factors of ##a^3 - b^3## and ##a^3 + b^3## based on their structure.
  • There are mentions of using polynomial long division and Euclidean division as methods for finding factors of higher-degree polynomials.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying principles rather than merely memorizing tricks for factorization.
  • There is a discussion about the applicability of calculus in proving factorization formulas, with differing opinions on whether calculus is necessary for understanding these algebraic identities.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the factorability of ##a^4 + b^4## with real coefficients, as some assert it is not factorable while others provide a method for its factorization. The discussion includes multiple competing views on the techniques for factorization and the role of calculus in these proofs.

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Some participants note that the factorization techniques discussed may depend on whether the coefficients are real or complex, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and conditions under which these polynomials are analyzed.

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Since this is not available in my algebra textbook, how do you factorize the ##a^4 + b^4## and ##a^4 - b^4##?

I also would like to know how do you obtain ##a^3 - b^3 = (a - b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)## and ##a^3 + b^3 = (a + b)(a^2 - ab + b^2)##?
 
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gede said:
Since this is not available in my algebra textbook, how do you factorize the ##a^4 + b^4## and ##a^4 - b^4##?

I also would like to know how do you obtain ##a^3 - b^3 = (a - b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)## and ##a^3 + b^3 = (a + b)(a^2 - ab + b^2)##?
Factoring a4 + b4 is tricky.

Factoring a4 - b4 should be obvious if you know how to factor a2 - b2

For the factoring of the cubics (or polynomials in general), you can always use polynomial long division.
 
SteamKing said:
Factoring a4 + b4 is tricky.
And if you're limited to factors with real coefficients, it's not factorable at all.
 
Mark44 said:
And if you're limited to factors with real coefficients, it's not factorable at all.

Actually it is. It factors as (a^2 + \sqrt{2}ab + b^2)(a^2 - \sqrt{2}ab + b^2)
 
1) a^4 - b^4 = ...

Substituting a^2 = x and b^2 = y

=> x^2 - y^2 = ...

2) a^4 + b^4 = a^4 + 2a^2*b^2 + b^4 - 2a^2*b^2 = (a^2 + b^2)^2 - 2a^2*b^2

Now use a^2 - b^2 = (a-b)(a+b) to find the answer

3) a^3 - b^3 = (a-b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)
=> (a^3 - b^3 )/(a-b) = (a^2 + ab + b^2)

Use euclidean division or Horner (let a^3 be the variable, let b^3 be the constant)
 
There's a trick in factoring (a3 - b3) and any expression alike of this. (Only works for this kind of binomial).

1) The first factor, which is a binomial, is always the cube root of the two terms.
(The blank space represents the missing terms and its operation/ sign).

a3 - b3 = (a - b)( _ _ _ )

2) The second factor, which is a trinomial, always constitutes three terms as follows.
a. The first term is square of the first term in the binomial: (a - b)(a2 _ _ )
b. The middle term is reverse sign of the product of the two term: (a - b)(a2 + ab _)
c. The last term is the square of the second term in the binomial: (a - b)(a2 + ab + b2)

And that completes the factoring of (a3 - b3)
 
Noriele Cruz said:
There's a trick in factoring (a3 - b3) and any expression alike of this. (Only works for this kind of binomial).

1) The first factor, which is a binomial, is always the cube root of the two terms.
(The blank space represents the missing terms and its operation/ sign).

a3 - b3 = (a - b)( _ _ _ )

2) The second factor, which is a trinomial, always constitutes three terms as follows.
a. The first term is square of the first term in the binomial: (a - b)(a2 _ _ )
b. The middle term is reverse sign of the product of the two term: (a - b)(a2 + ab _)
c. The last term is the square of the second term in the binomial: (a - b)(a2 + ab + b2)

And that completes the factoring of (a3 - b3)

This is true, although the point of mathematics is not to remember some tricks. With some experience, it takes 30 seconds to proof this formula using general calculus.
 
Math_QED said:
This is true, although the point of mathematics is not to remember some tricks. With some experience, it takes 30 seconds to proof this formula using general calculus.

Nonetheless, it is a basic format on how to factor such kind of expressions. It's not a point of remembering a trick, it is one way of knowing a proof how such expression can be branched down into its respective factors.
 
Math_QED said:
This is true, although the point of mathematics is not to remember some tricks.
It's a huge time saver to remember a few "tricks", such as the Quadratic Formula and how to factor the difference of squares and the sum or difference of cubes.
Math_QED said:
With some experience, it takes 30 seconds to proof this formula using general calculus.
You don't need calculus to derive ##a^3 - b^3 = (a - b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)##. Also, since the OP is studying algebra, it's reasonable to assume that he hasn't been exposed to the techniques of calculus.
 
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Math_QED said:
This is true, although the point of mathematics is not to remember some tricks. With some experience, it takes 30 seconds to proof this formula using general calculus.

How would you prove this using calculus?
 
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Please tell me the method of factoring of ##a^n + b^n## and ##a^n - b^n##?
 
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gede said:
Please tell me the method of factoring of ##a^n + b^n## and ##a^n - b^n##?

1) Define a function F: R -> R: a -> a^n + b^n => F(a) = a^n + b^n
b and n are natural numbers, n is odd

We see: F(-b) = -b^n + b^n = 0 => a + b is a divisor of F(a) (fundamental theorem of algebra)
That's one factor, you can find what's left after the division using horner's rule or using euclidean division. Then you can try to find those factors.

Same thing when you have Z(a) = a^n -b^n
b and n natural numbers, n odd

2) Define a function G: R -> R: a -> a^n - b^n => G(a) = a^n - b^n
b and n are natural numbers, n is not odd

Use a^2 - b^2 = (a-b)(a+b) to find factors.

3) Define a function H: R -> R: a -> a^n + b^n => H(a) = a^n + b^n
b and n are natural numbers, n is not odd

This is the hardest one. You have to manipulate the expressions. For example,
a^4 +1 = a^4 + 1 + 2a^2 - 2a^2 = (a^2 +1)^2 - 2a^2 = (a^2 + 1 + SQRT(2)a)(a^2 + 1 - SQRT(2)a)
 
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Math_QED said:
1) Define a function F: R -> R: a -> a^n + b^n => F(a) = a^n + b^n
b and n are natural numbers, n is odd

We see: F(-b) = -b^n + b^n = 0 => a + b is a divisor of F(a) (fundamental theorem of algebra)
That's one factor, you can find what's left after the division using horner's rule or using euclidean division. Then you can try to find those factors.

Same thing when you have Z(a) = a^n -b^n
b and n natural numbers, n odd

2) Define a function G: R -> R: a -> a^n - b^n => G(a) = a^n - b^n
b and n are natural numbers, n is not odd

Use a^2 - b^2 = (a-b)(a+b) to find factors.

3) Define a function H: R -> R: a -> a^n + b^n => H(a) = a^n + b^n
b and n are natural numbers, n is not odd

This is the hardest one. You have to manipulate the expressions. For example,
a^4 +1 = a^4 + 1 + 2a^2 - 2a^2 = (a^2 +1)^2 - 2a^2 = (a^2 + 1 + SQRT(2)a)(a^2 + 1 - SQRT(2)a)
None of these techniques use calculus, which is what @micromass asked about. For ##a^4 + 1##, if by factoring, one means splitting the polynomial into linear factors (i.e., first degree factors) with real coefficients, it's not factorable.

That was what I was thinking when I said that ##a^4 + b^4## wasn't factorable. To clarify my statement, ##a^4 + b^4## isn't factorable into linear factors with real coefficients.
 

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