How Can You Reduce This PDE to Its Canonical Form?

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The discussion revolves around the reduction of the partial differential equation (PDE) $u_{xx}-4u_{xy}+4u_{yy}=0$ to its canonical form. Participants explore methods for transforming the equation, including variable changes and the use of discriminants to find characteristic equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest finding the discriminant of the PDE to derive the characteristic equations.
  • Others express confusion about the necessity of the discriminant in the transformation process.
  • One participant proposes a specific variable change, setting $\xi = y + 2x$ and $\eta = x$, and derives the corresponding partial derivatives.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of the variable change and the resulting form of the PDE, suggesting it leads to $u_{\eta \eta} = 0$.
  • Participants seek confirmation on the correctness of their approaches and calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the use of the discriminant and the variable change. There is no consensus on the necessity of the discriminant, and some participants are uncertain about the correctness of their derived forms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the transformations and the dependence on the definitions of the variables used. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of the discriminant and the correctness of the final form derived.

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Let the PDE $u_{xx}-4u_{xy}+4u_{yy}=0.$ Reduce to the canonical form.Good Morning MHB :). My problem is find the canonical form of the PDE know an variable change. But how I can transform the equation? Thanks.
 
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Julio said:
Let the PDE $u_{xx}-4u_{xy}+4u_{yy}=0.$ Reduce to the canonical form.Good Morning MHB :). My problem is find the canonical form of the PDE know an variable change. But how I can transform the equation? Thanks.

(Wave)

$u_{xx}-4u_{xy}+4u_{yy}=0 \Rightarrow \left(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial{x}^2} -4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{xy}}+4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{y}^2} \right) u=0 $

Find the discriminant of $\frac{\partial^2}{\partial{x}^2} -4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{xy}}+4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{y}^2}=0$ in order to find the characteristic equations.
 
evinda said:
(Wave)

$u_{xx}-4u_{xy}+4u_{yy}=0 \Rightarrow \left(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial{x}^2} -4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{xy}}+4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{y}^2} \right) u=0 $

Find the discriminant of $\frac{\partial^2}{\partial{x}^2} -4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{xy}}+4 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial{y}^2}=0$ in order to find the characteristic equations.

Thanks evinda :).

But why the discriminant? I don't understand this :(.

One question: What's up if does the change $\xi=\xi(x,y)$ and $\eta=\eta(x,y)$?
 
Julio said:
Thanks evinda :).

But why the discriminant? I don't understand this :(.

One question: What's up if does the change $\xi=\xi(x,y)$ and $\eta=\eta(x,y)$?

You will set $\xi$ and $\eta$ equal to the solutions of the equation of which you find the discriminant.
 
Thanks Evinda, I can solve in this form...

As $y(x)=-2x+C$ is the characteristic curve, we have that $y+2x=C.$ Let $\xi(x,y)=y+2x$ and $\eta=x$, it follow that:

$\dfrac{\partial \xi}{\partial x}=2, \quad \dfrac{\partial \eta}{\partial x}=1.$

$\dfrac{\partial \xi}{\partial y}=1, \quad \dfrac{\partial \eta}{\partial y}=0.$

Then,

$\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x}=\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \xi}\dfrac{\partial \xi}{\partial x}+\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \eta}\dfrac{\partial \eta}{\partial x}=2\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \xi}+\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \eta}$

$\dfrac{\partial}{\partial y}=\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \xi}\dfrac{\partial \xi}{\partial y}+\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \eta}\dfrac{\partial \eta}{\partial y}=\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \xi}.$

$\begin{eqnarray*}
\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}&=&\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x}\right)\\
&=&\left(2\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \xi}+\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \eta}\right) \left(2\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \xi}+\dfrac{\partial}{\partial \eta}\right)\\
&=&4\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial \xi^2}+4\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial \eta\partial \xi}+\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial \eta^2}.
\end{eqnarray*}
$

$\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}=\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial \xi^2}$

$\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial y\partial x}=2\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial \xi^2}+\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial \xi \partial \eta}$

Thus, we have that:

$\left(\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}-4\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial y\partial x}+4\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}\right)u=0\implies u_{\eta \eta}=0.$

This is correct? :)
 
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Since nobody ratified if I was okay, I give terminate.

Thanks :).
 

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