How come I can program for fun but I can't math for fun?

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The discussion revolves around the contrasting experiences of participants regarding programming and mathematics as hobbies. Participants explore the reasons behind the differing levels of enjoyment and effort associated with each activity, touching on personal interests, connections between the two fields, and potential pathways to finding enjoyment in mathematics.

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  • Some participants suggest that enjoyment in programming versus mathematics may stem from personal interests and the inherent appeal of each discipline.
  • One participant proposes that finding beauty in mathematics could reduce the perceived effort required to engage with it.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of a metaphor involving a pilot's catastrophic experience to the discussion of recreational mathematics.
  • Suggestions are made to explore connections between mathematics and programming, such as computational science, boolean logic, number theory, and graph theory.
  • Some participants note that different areas of mathematics may resonate differently with individuals, indicating that personal interest plays a significant role.
  • There are recommendations to engage with friends who enjoy mathematics to discover enjoyable aspects of the subject.
  • One participant mentions the utility of computer algebra software for making mathematical concepts more accessible and enjoyable.
  • Links to resources like Project Euler are shared as a way to combine interests in programming and mathematics.
  • Combinatorics is highlighted as a mathematical area with applications in computer science that may be of interest.

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Participants express a range of views on the relationship between programming and mathematics, with no clear consensus on why one may be more enjoyable than the other. Multiple competing perspectives on personal interest and the nature of each discipline remain present.

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The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity and comfort with mathematics among participants, as well as differing definitions of what constitutes enjoyable or recreational mathematics.

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Individuals interested in the interplay between programming and mathematics, those seeking to enhance their enjoyment of mathematics, and anyone exploring the motivations behind their engagement with STEM subjects.

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I've been programming for fun as a hobby for years, but with math, I have to put in so much effort and I get exhausted so easily. Why is that?
 
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It's all about you, and your interests. For other people it's the other way around, heck Aristotle and Plato wrote the most influencial books of philosophy because they like what they're doing, but I'm sure it will be a cold day in hell before Aristotle challenges Plato for a game of streetball (if it would have existed back then) the other thing around can be said of current NBA players :wink:
 
Turion said:
but with math, I have to put in so much effort and I get exhausted so easily. Why is that?

That's because you don't see the beauty. Captain Butler was an able pilot. Taught others to fight. Then one day he got in a plane, dropped his bombs and smashed his plane into the side of a mountain. They couldn't figure out why. One possibility is he ran into a critical point up there, the straw that breaks the camel's back, a catastrophe, a sudden, abrupt, qualitative change in his world and simply snapped. There lies the secret to many of the puzzling phenomena in life. When you understand this secret, a marvelous, beautiful sense of Nature emerges. And there is no other way to see it than mathematics.

Seek to find and understand that beauty and your effort will become less laborious.
 
jackmell said:
Captain Butler was an able pilot. Taught others to fight. Then one day he got in a plane, dropped his bombs and smashed his plane into the side of a mountain. They couldn't figure out why. One possibility is he ran into a critical point up there, the straw that breaks the camel's back, a catastrophe, a sudden, abrupt, qualitative change in his world and simply snapped. There lies the secret to many of the puzzling phenomena in life.

I don't understand what this has to do with recreational mathematics.
 
Turion said:
I've been programming for fun as a hobby for years, but with math, I have to put in so much effort and I get exhausted so easily. Why is that?
Maybe you just need to find a connection between the two. e.g. Computational science
 
Depends on where you start. Some parts of math might seem inherently interesting to you... others may interest other people!

If you want to like math, try talking to some of your friends who really like math. They'll show you where the fun stuff is hiding :)
 
Try boolean logic, number theory, or numerical analysis - they all connect up with computer programming quite well.

Or perhaps graph theory, though it is a bit abstract for starters.

I started with the boolean logic and number theory before I learned to program.
 
I believe because you're using your mental capacity to its limits.

There are a lot of books in maths, and a lot of pages to read and exercise (depending on your maturity).

For me computer programming basically I just need to know the syntax, the rest is plain logic.
 
You could try some computer algebra software. I've found it VERY helpful in my work, and for what's recreational mathematics to me.

It's not just algebra, of course. You'll also get trig, calculus, etc.
 
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Adyssa said:
Perhaps you could combine your interests? :)

http://projecteuler.net/

+1 for that site!

Turion, you also might want to look into combinatorics, which has many applications in computer science.
 

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